Xenephex: Re-read my post, in no way did i play down communism as a threat towards what most would consider freedom, however what i did point out and you ignored is the fact that the so called "free nations" do the same exact things as the communists, just in a more acceptable, publicly friendly, and in some cases invisible manner.
In our own way were just as bad as the communists nations of yore, better in some ways, worse in others. My point isn't to harp on the known transgressions of communism but to instead point out the same acts under a different guise perpetrated by the US and other nations, but which are far FAR to easy to conceal, hide and re direct attention from in the modern world. And unfortunatly most government expansion in the 20th century has, like it or not, been driven by money, power and the desire to expand. The western world knows this, because without it a huge portion of our domestic spending would wither and die.
US, China, UK, soviet Russia were all the same just the mechanisms are a little different. I seek a new way apart from these. New ideas are needed or else well just keep rehashing the same shit every 10-20 years and giving it a new label (like the English, the Spanish, The Mexican Army, Red Menace then Terrorism for the same lines re used)
Also as of yet nobody has bothered to define this "Liberty" theyre speaking of, such a simple thing might actually help people see eye to eye since i do NOT believe people see or understand it the same wey. Often its the most common place and "universal" words that are up to so much misinterpretation by various points of view. Just a thought...
TAXI: You read anything off of Z-Net? You might like it, or not, but the articles are fascinating though some should be taken with a grain of salt. Several articles on the G20 as well just got posted.
http://www.zcommunications.org/journ...jesse-freeston