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Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey
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I would say it is a fairly relevant discussion and explain a lot of your poor logic here where you feel that:
- somehow an enchanter taking a camp from a CRing group with a melee character who could use the mith 2h is magically not a douchebag move
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We went over this. He moved in on a fully spawned camp with no knowledge of a group there that had wiped. Nothing douche bag about that. When he finds out, he offers them the camp after one PH and they agree. The nice guy move here would be to move on without doing one PH, but I'm really not seeing how offering to do one and then leaving and the group agreeing is a douche bag move.
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- somehow an enchanter is allowed to zone and maintain a camp despite clear rules that dictate you must retain a presence at a camp to claim it
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They made an honorable deal and never made a stipulation about zoning forfeits the deal.
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- somehow a group that claims the camp after the enchanter zones and gives up his presence at the camp are the douchebags in this situation.
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Once again, they made a deal, 100% ready to poach the camp if they saw any way the rules would allow them to toss their deal out the window.
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And I understand exactly where Nocte is coming from, because I've been in his place before. I don't want to spend my time on EQ arguing or fighting over digital pixels. It makes me sick to my stomach when a situation like this comes up, because no matter how closely you try to follow the rules we have for these things, someone is always going to try to twist the rules in their favor and try to make you look like the douchebag. But I think it's weak to sell out his group for being "greedy children" when all they were doing was being mindful of the rules and not being spineless doormats about it.
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Or maybe he places some value in honorable deals and being courteous to that extent and expects the people he plays with to not make deals just to try and exploit the rules to get out of them.
BTW the fact that you think what class I play is relevant to my logic is pretty lol. It's like some kind of red herring/ad hominem hybrid.