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Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey
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Let's try a better example that more closely parallels the situation:
Guild A wipes on Vox and starts their CR for their next attempt. When they return, Guild B is engaging Vox. Guild A says they're on CR and had Vox. Guild B says "Well, you aren't here now and you had your chance, now we got Vox." Then, Guild B says "After we get Vox though, you can camp here and wait for the next Vox spawn... we'll be done with Vox after this spawn. We have jobs so we don't intend to camp the next Vox spawn." Guild A is like "Okay!" because for whatever reason that seems like a good deal to them! Because Guild B could totally be dicks and sit there and wait until the next Vox spawn and kill her again, but they are benevolent and offer this agreement to Guild A.
Then, holy shit!! Guild B can't do Vox without zoning. They are no longer in Permafrost. Guild A is sitting right there, remembering how totally awesome it was for Guild B to take Vox on them when they left the zone (it just happened to be without their corpse/inventories). But they had an agreement with Guild B based on Guild B's leverage over them at the time that Guild B in fact had rights to Vox since Guild A wasn't there. But now Guild B isn't there, so Guild A has rights to Vox.
Guild B no longer has the leverage which the agreement was based on. Part of the agreement was based on the fact that Guild A no longer had rights to Vox and would not be getting a Vox kill that night. But those conditions of the agreement changed when Guild B zoned out.
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You're trying too hard to put tons of parallels in, when all that is relevant is the agreement. Does guild A agree to let guild B kill Vox? Yes. Do they make any stipulations about what nullifies the agreement? No. Do they kill Vox anyway? Yes. They are douche bags, with the only exception being if guild B is physically unable to kill Vox. Not if they wipe once, but if they can't and are forced to give up. You agreed to let them kill it, changing the agreement because you don't like how they do it is shady bullshit. Moving in on the camp because the enchanter is regening his pet isn't much different than a guild leap frogging another that has cleared all the giants and shit while they are medding and buffing up. Zoning out and then in is the enchanters medding and buffing up in this situation. You're not exactly honoring your agreement if you never even let the person prep and engage the mob.
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If you agree to trade 12K for a FBSS, and the conditions of that agreement change because the buyer puts 1200pp into the trade window, you are not bound by that agreement, right? Or are you a douchebag for not hitting TRADE anyway?
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Okay wow, this is definitely the most retarded thing in this thread I gotta say. The agreement here is "I give you the FBSS, you give me the 12k" and the other person doesn't honor their end, so you don't honor yours. How exactly do you parallel that to the guk situation? The enchanter offered up the camp after one round of spawns, the group offered up that one round of spawns. Sooo if we parallel with your example, the group had a right to back out of the agreement because the enchanter didn't fulfill his end of the agreement, that being that he gives them the camp after this round of spawns. That makes absolutely no sense at all.