Going to address a couple of Cyrano's points.
First, SK DKP and SK for a raid rotation written it are quite obviously different. I wanted to offer a way to change the current state of raiding as it stands right now.
The simplest way to deter camping would be to offer it no advantage in a ruleset. Even if the camping were agreed upon to be stopped right now, another guild in three weeks might try it and it simply escalates right back to camping and countercamping.
Right now camping guilds are /randoming when something pops, or making an unofficial rotation. Despite often being that guy with the horseshoe up his ass (See: Sunday) I think there's a better way to handle who gets to go. A dynamic list allows for some degree of prioritization of targets to take place between tiered mobs.
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As it stands now if you guys wanted to make a 200 person pug to camp something you could do it, there is no room for that on this form of Suicide Kings.
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Sure there is. They can wait their week just like every other raid group that wants in does.
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This is a rotation whether you want to admit it or not and completely takes out the competition aspect of it unless there is certain collusion leading to the FFA scenario which, by your standards, is against the rules.
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Don't see how it gets rid of competition. It's actually the exact same as what is happening right now, except you only need one tracker there to roll rather than one tracker and 14 other semi afk people.
As for collusion and list manipulation it had specifically to do with me being worried groups on the list would create secondary smurf groups in order to get more chances in. "This is totally our raid group we suicided with. What do you mean there's only actually 5 of us in the guild and everyone else is from another raiding group on the list". I will review that section of the proposal and word it better.
You could try and convince everyone to pass to make it go to FFA if you really wanted, except there's not much benefit to actually passing for the last group on the list represented there. I don't really see _that_ as collusion, since it offers no advantage.
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if IB or DA can do certain mobs with roughly 20 people and we now have 40+ active members, why shouldn't we be able to splinter off into two guilds?
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If crossover between the two wasn't likely I wouldn't really see a problem with it, except that it would be. You'd basically be given twice the number of spots on the list.
In short, if IB split into two separate entities for some reason and pursued separate raiding that would be one thing, but if they split into IB1 and IB2 with overlap in their Suicide Listed raids it wouldn't be kosher.
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Why is a guild merger considered acceptable but a separation is not?
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I already explained why separations could be perceived as a problem.
The merger would actually be removing one or more entities from the Suicide List altogether.
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What we need are less rules, not more. This system will lead to more waiting, arguing, and ultimately less killing
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This entire concept started as six lines. It is players seeking nonstop loopholes in everything that made me have to spell out every single minute detail and possibility. They'll seek loopholes in any system used, it won't matter.
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think of all the finger pointing that will go along with issues of collusion for SC. According this system GMs will check logs and parses... we know the nature of the server so who's going to stop everyone from pointing fingers anytime a boss is up? And then what happens when the GMs become disconnected and stop enforcing it and true collusion runs rampant due to their lack of involvement?
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The GMs' only major role in SK was just like it is now -- to ensure that people who train and interfere are accounted for.
You took far too broad an account for collusion as I mentioned earlier. Their role in List Manipulation would only be to look out for smurf guilds essentially giving away their suicide.
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The time constraints are ridiculous. Two hours to clear Naggy or Vox?
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That includes any time to get there, so for Voxx that's getting to Perma. Two hours for an encounter seems like a lot now, but as I said it is a cushion for a multitude of things. In Sky it would certainly be nice to get in multiple attempts on things for learning purposes. One and outs are going to be very painful with new content, especially if theres as many surprises in store for us as Aeolwind has promised.
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And who is going to be there to police whether or not the guild attempting a target is compromised of the correct percentage of members? What's to stop a guild from simply tagging random pickup people to keep their side of the deal kosher?
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The raid percentages were there as all I could think of to stop any aforementioned smurfing suicides. If anyone has a better idea, feel free to let me know.
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In my opinion who gets what mob should come down to dedication; not a pseudo-rotation. Currently dedication is measured in time sitting a mob
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If camping a mob with 15+ people is dedication, then I won't be dedicated -- I will find another way to enjoy my time on P1999 aside from raiding, either with alts or research and tradeskill implementation.