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Originally Posted by Tippett
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It's not that way at all though. Multiple guilds have the ability to epic members, even casual ones as long as you play for awhile.
This is what I was referring to about worrying about level 12 before you ask questions about the high end raid scene, you think you understand how it works but obviously have no idea.
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It's not all about epics. I've clearly stated that I want to see all the raids I can. I'm sorry if you can't understand somebody putting a little more forethough into their activities to decide if it is worth the time involved. The entire purpose of this thread is to better understand how raiding on the server works and if what I read from people saying TMO gets 90% of raid targets is true.
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Originally Posted by Peekae
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I feel like socking is thrown around a lot more than it should. The only time its really seen is late window pops.
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I would like to know of it is. Again, all I have to go by here is what you guys on the forum say. How often do raid targets end up in these multi-hour sock fest FTE lotteries? Should I just disregard posts like the one about a guild starting 20 hours into a 96 hour spawn? I am looking for information to counter the very negative impression that I get from those posts.
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Originally Posted by India
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OP, if you've read the forums like you claimed, you would know that it's not all gloom and doom. There are some wonderfully fun & nice people that play this game. You would have found that there are numerous guilds that do things that don't require you to poopsock. You'd also know that Velious is on the way, and once released Kunark raid targets will likely be available to others.
You stated that you "made a mistake" by reading the forums first. So you realize somewhere inside yourself that the forums are not representative of the actual community, nor even the people of those guilds you already claim to dislike without even knowing the members within.
In knowing all this I can't help but wonder what the actual purpose of this thread was for. To trash talk guilds? The raiding scene as it stands? Attention?
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Here's something crazy to consider: I want to raid Velious targets too. Saying that I'll be able to raid Kunark targets when there are Velious targets to try as well is the same situation people are denying is happening now. If you really can't figure out what the purpose of the thread is, let me say it again: I am asking you guys to counter the bad, which is all that is available on the forums regarding raiding. If there is NOTHING to be found here that is positive regarding raiding, how am I or any other new person supposed to weigh things properly? As far as claiming to dislike guilds, that mainly goes for TMO. I don't know the people in it (though surely guild leadership must know how the vocal forum members make it look), but you know what I do know? They train anybody who tries to break into VP. That is all that I need to know about them.
There is no troll here. I am not mad, I am not jelly. In this very thread there are a handful of people who have basically said if you're not in TMO, FE, or to a lesser extent BDA, you're limited to clearing the planes, some epic mobs, and some small scale stuff. Who am I supposed to believe? I normally don't mind running an expansion behind for raids but when the server is locked at three expansions that doesn't really work.
What I don't understand is why it seems to make people angry that I saw something that did not look good about the server and asked for people to tell me the other side of it. If you guys are saying that it's not true, what raid targets have other guilds gotten recently? How many other guilds can help their members get a bard or SK epic without buying a MQ?