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Originally Posted by pickled_heretic
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#1. Rants and flames. Sorry but I just can't be bothered with a thread that doesn't have ranting and flaming here. I thought I saw an opportunity to bring this thread into the realm of 'RnF' rather than just another OT thread in the RnF section.
#2. Blind faith can't be used to prove anything? No, I suppose not. But what you don't realize is that every single metaphysical entity that you accept as an individual is also unprovable. Concepts like "Justice," "free will" and "love" do not exist in any physical sense. We can ascribe characteristics to them but they are formless to us and therefore we can not be said to truly know them.
#3. What is my point? My point is that when you say you "trust in things that are proven to you" You actually mean you "trust in things that you accept on faith" since basic, foundational concepts such as objective reality can never be irrefutably proven by their definitions.
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allow me to retort.
1) You may not be able to be bothered with a thread that has no ranting or flaming, but i dont recall you being explicitly invited either. You could have just kept it moving or better yet, waited for someone deserving of your interweb ire. Not that im crying in a corner, it just seemed silly to fight with a rather neutral response. Like you were just itching to pick an e-brawl.
2) Im glad we agree on faith being unprovable. The next part of your statement gets rather philisophical and I am no Poet and will not pretend to be some great intellectual. I will do the best I can with these. I know the feeling of "Justice" arises from the accountability of an offending party based on ones own ethics. THAT is real. It changes from person to person based on the ethical nature of the individual but that doesnt make the idea of justice itself any less real. Its something you can indeed feel. Free will may or may not exist and I tip my hat to you for even mentioning this one. Kudo's. Love does exist as an emotional state. I have children and again, have felt it. I know it's there. Now you may argue that people can "feel" god, but i can only say from where i sit, i never have. Ive witnessed others feel a sense of purpose, fullfiment, indeed many other things they attribute to religion, but never actually, god.
3) when i say i trust in things proven to me, it was a statement made AFTER you asked me my point so I dont see how its relvant but I'll delve into it anyway. I will give you this much, I have "faith" that scientific method was used to prove the existance of things i accept. The thing about science is everything starts out a theory. It doesnt mean it wont be proven in the future. There are theories of things that can not be irrefutably proven that are accepted as factual by the majority is there not? Im really not 100% on that its a question.
I mean it goes back to what I was saying, Im no great intellectual. I know when someone is trying to call me ignorant tho. If you're looking to browbeat me into some position by pointing out my limited knowledge of subject matter not in the debate, I say stay on topic please. I will even say im wrong about everything Ive said. It doesnt matter to me that much. I have no idea if there is a god and if someone can prove to me there IS one id be much obliged.