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Originally Posted by gotrocks
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its pretty much been proven that true alcoholics cant ever drink "socially" (ie, taking a couple drinks every now and then).
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Give me a source that proves it and I will give you 10 that refute it. Addiction isn't some disease although that is what AA would want you to believe. Granted the severity of addiction does have some to with genetic make up of the addicted that much is proven, but for the vast majority of people who are classified as an alcoholic, they can be completely rehabilitated and have a couple of drinks here and there.
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Originally Posted by gotrocks
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There have been a ton of studies on this. If you're an alcoholic, you're always an alcoholic. You can't condition someone to not be one because its brain chemistry. The programs that are claiming to show people how to drink responsibly are bullshit - that may work for a year, maybe 2 or 3 or 4, but eventually that person is going to go back to being an alcoholic.
doesnt matter what program you're in, long term recovery from alcoholism is extremely rare and difficult. I'd say 20% is probably too high, its more like 10%. Pretty sure thats the highest recovery rate of any program long term. Other programs boast having over 50%, but thats generally after a year at most, and it falls off rapidly after that to around 2-3% if that.
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More AA nonsense propaganda. Give me dat sauce.
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Originally Posted by gotrocks
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I've done a ton of reading on this for both sides. I've got a really good book you should check out if you're interested in the subject, il try to find the title.
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Give it to me as long as it isn't an AA pamphlet.
But here is some reading for you in the mean time that validates everything I have stated.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...logy-addiction
http://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/addiction