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Originally Posted by Dumesh Uhl'Belk View Post

First to aggro + 15 minute limit to mass engage.

Whoever can get the first aggro on the mob has 15 min to maintain aggro and have his or her guild engage. As long as the battle has begun in earnest (I'll define this as being tanked instead of kited) within 15 min of the first aggro, and their was an unbroken chain of aggro by members of that first guild through the whole 15 minutes, other guilds must back off until the first guild gets the kill or wipes. If the first guild wipes completely and the mob loses aggro, then he becomes FFA again.

If someone can successfully kite a boss for 7 or 8 minutes while his guild mobilizes, then that's cool with me, because it is definitely a skill related to gameplay in EQ. Anyway, the kiting provision is more of a catch-all that is thinking forward to some of the outdoor encounters coming in Kunark and Velious. We don't want one guy from guild X kiting Talendor around for a half an hour waiting for his guild to log in and port over. There has to be a limit. However, I think 15 min is reasonable.

Wow, this post alone may warrant a new thread just to clear the shit out of this thread. In fact Dumesh I suggest you do that right now before your idea gets flooded by trollish post from both sides. This solution is so sexy on so many different levels, it makes my head hurt at 4am.

People may debate about the minutes to engage, especially for encounters like CT etc... but nothing that would be unworkable. Why not merge it with some of the other suggestions in this thread.

1. 1 Hour afk = booted from server (this should fix the non raiders problem of getting booted randomly for being afk). Honestly if your going to be afk for more than an hour just log back on.

2. First to engage rule 15min, exactly like Dumesh outlined with a small adjustment here and there for specific bosses that requires planar clears.

3. Increase Time variance even more to + or - 7 ~ 10 days. Add in a flat 8 hours before variance starts on time of the death of the boss (Emil's idea). To further discourage camping even with these rules.

4. Offer draconian consequences for lying / fabricating incidents to GM. If proof was ever found that X person was guilty of making shit up, go beyond the 1 month ban. PERMA BAN of IP and account, repeat offenses from full members of X guild = dissolution of sketchy guild.

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Now I can't resist to not point out the irony of this thread. Let's recap a bit here....

1. Server pops: Dedicated players grind to 50, first generation IB is born. Pew pew begins, bosses die. Second generation players look up and want to kill bosses.

2. Transcendence emerges! Hey we want phat loots too zomg. Not enough skilled player base, Trans adapts with a looser recruitment policy.

3. Smack talk begins IB goes head to head vs Trans. Trans loses...

4. Trans leadership: Hey we gotta get rotation going otherwise we'll never get a phat loot to drop. GM brought in and made to understand that it's the fairest way to deal with the situation. None of this is made aware to IB.

5. IB gets blind sided in Sol B on Nagafen. GM sets precedent of 14 day ban if we don't GTFO out of Sol B, enforced GM rotation up in place between 2 guilds.

6. Trans is happy. They don't need to work for mobs, mobs being breast fed to them.

7. IB stews but sucks it up. Bitching is ok, getting banned is not.

8. Drama happens! Divinity Emerges! WTF who told those guys they can raid too? Concept hard to swallow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] ..

9. Divinity wants equal rights, right to marry, to vote... want the furniture as well. Given the choice of getting no mob to getting 1 mob every 2 weeks, Trans decides that it's now a "we're looking out for the whole server guild".

10. PR War begins... IB=immature,unemployed,hackers,GMfavored etc.. Trans=Unskilled,unemployed,whiners,liars,GMfavored etc... Div=we are not IB or Trans so we must be the good guys.

11. Come on guys, play nice! We all can get 1 boss every 2 weeks... (no thoughts as to how this works for key mobs). Divinity getting restless of not getting the ball passed to them.

12. Gothic Circle emerges! The guild that broke the rotation's back... Nizzarr working hard to find solution to remove rotations.

13. GM Decree the new age of time variance has arrived! Everyone rejoice!! Trash talking resume, Trans convinced they are better than IB, much trolling on forums between both guilds.

14. IB once again emerges on top, how dare they those basterds!

15. Trans officially stops the "we're better than you" trash talk to "dude this shit is 10 years old" to "what about the little guy?? Don't be greedy! Go back to rotation!

16. Douchebags from both IB and Trans being kicked out during the era known as the Troll wars...

17. Trans waves white flag goes to casual status.. All is well in IB's kingdom.

18. Fish Bait emerges! Scanner on douchebags exceeds 9000! If you thought the dbags from IB and Trans were bad, you haven't seen Fish Bait yet! FB determined to be the bad ass kid that won't agree to anything.

19. Funny period in guild relations, we found a guild that we hate even more than each other. Guild relations at an all time high due to FB being such genuine A-holes.

20. My break time! RL finally catches up even to the "unemployed,living at mom's basement,slob". Gone for a few months, no one cares /cry

21. FB implodes! Dark Ascension emerges! FB name is so bad that they decided to re-invent themselves. Smart PR!

22. DA R&D people hard at work to figure out how to beat genuine mobilization... tired of losing mobs to those a-holes from IB. Suddenly someone from DA (Salty?) has an epiphany. Let's just camp at the spot! Must recruit zerg force in order to maintain multiple camping targets.

23. IB boggled by the camping strategy. Realizes that going half retard (responding to text on a boss pop) is not the ultimate raiding strategy, apparently going full retard (of afk camping) beats mobilization.

24. IB leadership decides that going full retard as well is better than not getting any more bosses. Some old members go into semi retirement, disgusted with the current raiding game.

25. IB Full retard vs DA Full retard = IB still wins for the most part with a lot less people we might add.

26. Nizzarr back from retirement! Expected sky to be up! Bummed out it's not out yet. Expects flower petals and a huge party to honour his return. Nothing happens except a dumb loot incident (I'm with you on that issue Nizzarr). Nizzarr leaves unhappy! DA probably on their knees to recruit him, Nizzarr joins DA! Goes from applicant to officer! Much rejoicing in DA land as they actually recruited someone who has good game knowledge!

27. Nizzarr reflects on current situation of being outcamped by IB. Getting sick and tired of losing at whatever game we're playing by those basterds.

28. PR Spin machine going up! Proposal post comes up, to find a solution for the betterment of the whole server (We got everyone's interest at heart card) *wink wink*

29. Much trolling ensues on "constructive" thread to figure out the best way to shift momentum back to DA.

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Sorry, I really shouldn't have posted the trolling section but just couldn't resist at all the fake PR spin going on here. Like I said, Dumesh I hope you make another thread for your proposal... The original 4 points is my contribution to your post.

PS: It's 5am! Ignore grammar/spelling for all you internet grammar warriors!~