You can't blame nihilum for the other guild being ineptly ran. People come here to PVP sure, but most of us (not including you cwall don't worry pal) come as well for some pve progression. New players are willing to give an underdog a chance at catching up, but if you're only taking lateral or backwards steps eventually they're going to flip.
I don't have any inside info or know how about what's going on in full retard, but they went from cutting the list short every night with a couple of PVP victories under their belt to ten to twelve of the old never log off faces.
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