dont forget the planes will still be there when kunark comes out. you dont *have* to be in #1 guild to raid, there is nothing wrong imo with tiered guilds. on TZ Pandemonium would keep newest content on lock down, be it through pvp or just training. Disco and Indig tried to complete with them and they had some good competition going on but pretty much Pande got the newest stuff, and everyone else was an expansion behind, or even 2+ expansions behind.
for a long time i was in a guild that was raiding about 2 expansions behind Pande, and it was the best guild i have ever been in, in any game/server. raiding is still raiding, doesnt really matter what the content is.
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