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Old 11-30-2012, 02:14 PM
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1. Whether we live in a "civilized society" is open to debate.
It is a fact that we are living in the most peaceful time in our species' brief history. This is not an opinion. This is a fact backed up with data.

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2. I'm sure you already know the arguments against retreat being required, and how "if they are able to do so" is the kind of phrase upon which lawyers make bank.
Yes, yes. Everyone hates lawyers until they need one.

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3. I don't think vigilante justice should be discussed in this context, since "not having to retreat from an unlawful and dangerous threat when in a place that you are legally allowed to be" has basically nothing at all in common with "unlawfully taking the role of law enforcement into one's own hands."
The context is entirely appropriate, as the only thing that makes it legal to not be obligated to retreat, is (in my opinion) based on a flawed premise. If Stand Your Ground laws applied to private property and private property alone, I would agree. They do not, therefore I cannot.

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