
10-21-2012, 03:55 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2012
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Originally Posted by Daldolma
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Cool story bro.
I didn't need to run to Wikipedia. It's common knowledge among the educated that Jesus lived. Catch up. There is an overwhelming consensus amongst scholars. I've now posted repeated references to that consensus from published scholars from a variety of backgrounds -- twice. You continue to ignore them and attack me for daring to actually cite experts.
I didn't exaggerate the evidence because I don't need to exaggerate the evidence. I don't need to interpret it at all. I've let scholars and experts speak to the subject.
And I ignored your analysis because I don't give a shit what Alawen of P99 has to say about the historical existence of Jesus.
You're not qualified to read Josephus or Tacitus and make a statement of any kind as to the accuracy or context of their words. You likely can't even read Josephus or Tacitus. You're being fed translations and context by the very scholars that you then dismiss and ignore. They don't "agree with you" re: the Testimonium Flavianum. They don't know or care that you exist. They have conducted extensive research on the subject and concluded that there were historical edits. You've piggy backed off of their work and cherry picked the data points that fit your agenda, while discounting and dismissing their conclusions. You're not engaging in original thought -- you're engaging in neckbeardery. "Sorry Mr. Hawking, while I value your opinion, string theory just doesn't stand up to my inspection."
I don't respect the opinion of scholars because I'm incapable of original thought -- I respect the opinion of scholars because I'm capable of acknowledging when someone is more equipped to grapple with a subject than I am. You can't even recognize your own ignorance. PhDs and professors at some of the top universities in the world, authors of NYT bestsellers, and leading scholars are speaking on the subject of their expertise, and you brush them aside. Apparently you feel that your opinion on Jesus' existence is equal to -- or greater than -- the opinion of a magna cum laude PhD currently tenured as a professor at UNC Chapel Hill, a Litt. D from Cambridge, a PhD that is now the Dean of King's College London, and a PhD from Cambridge that was the president of Cambridge's New Testament research journal and is a tenured professor at University of Durham. All leading scholars on biblical history. And yes, you are correct -- I was not curious about your reference to Santa Claus.
I know exactly what argumentum ad ignorantium is, and I know that you misapplied it. You may post as vociferously as you want -- it won't change the fact that you used it incorrectly. I see that you at least have the good sense to be ashamed, hence the angry retort.
Anyway, you're beginning to irritate me. Pseudo intellectuals are unbearable, and you're more transparent than most. List your credentials re: biblical study. You were oh-so-eager to let everyone know that you can quote the New Testament at will. Follow through -- let's see what's on the resume. Give a single reason why your "analysis" should be appraised in the same light as the analyses of some of the foremost experts in the world.
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That's a lot of words from someone who apparently doesn't understand what common knowledge means in an academic sense.
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