[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol. You are ignorant. This isn't a matter of shrouds and superstition. It was 2000 years ago -- they didn't have an obituaries section in the local magazine. You have a half a dozen sources from within 50-100 years of Jesus' life speaking about him as a historical figure and confirming some of the same basic facts of his life and death -- including non-Christian scholars. There's more proof that Jesus existed than there is proof that Shakespeare actually wrote the work credited to him, and Shakespeare isn't even 500 years old yet. And for the record, secular scholars widely agree that Jesus did exist (and that Shakespeare wrote the works credited to him).

This is a direct line from Wikipedia: Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed,[5][6][7][8] and biblical scholars and classical historians regard theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted.[9][10][11]

You're holding Jesus' existence to a standard that is completely out of touch with the context of the period. What would it take to convince you he existed? A photograph? Almost everything we know about antiquity is based on third person accounts from people that weren't alive when the supposed events took place. For Jesus, there are a plethora of references to him from a variety of sources, including highly reliable non-Christian authors that wrote in the immediate historical aftermath (less than 100 years) after his death.

Unless you also refute basically everything researchers have concluded regarding antiquity, including the very existence of certain famous authors, poets, and emperors, there is more than enough evidence to conclusively say that Jesus did live.

There is also alot of "proof by your description" that claims Mohammad existed and was the final prophet of god and that jesus was not the son.

?Derp