[Calvin]

Originally Posted by Ferok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pointing out what $X means to Y is a red herring in the first place, so you're right; that was a dumb argument. Thanks for agreeing.

As for the perceived straw man, you'll have to point that out to me. I must be stupid. My only intention was, with the rest of my statement, to point out that if the contract is binding, it's binding. If it's not, it's not. If it says pensions, pensions. If they negotiate to give up pensions, probably not going to have pensions. The contracts, though not the same as the player's contracts, don't exist in a vacuum. It's up to the unions to be smart about their negotiation in order to make sure the officials get what they want; not the owners.

Another dumb argument. Also, I wouldn't be crying for the NFL owners.