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Originally Posted by Savok
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Does having a monk stand up and get FTE without a raid count as giving people shots? Guilds have proven that they can kill said mob (not just BDA but others too) with the right force in place.
I have no issue racing a guild for a mob and backing out when you know you have been beaten but to do crappy things like the above will just turn people away from raiding, period. You will just end up with all of the mobs to farm yourselves because nobody else will want to bother.
Like someone said above it just becomes a cockblock rather than playing for fun.
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I'm not addressing any particular incident of FTE arguing that's happened between BDA and TMO. Those will continue to happen as long as FTE is the metric used. Your first question does not require an answer - it's obvious. Having said this - the ability to kill a mob with the right force in place doesn't entitle someone to a mob, either. As has been beaten to death, GM's understand FTE is a flawed metric but it is the closest thing to a data based decision that can be used at the current time. The staff isn't stupid.
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As far as "doing crappy things," (?) - I chalk FTE arguments/other crappy stuff and a bit of lawyering to be par for the course when it comes to raid guild relations. It doesn't bother me. What Jeremy and I were referring to was clearly stated: up and coming guilds who want to test their mettle against targets for the first time. This was the case in his example of Full Circle in PoF, and I have seen numerous similar occasions. When it's obvious that, as you said, the guild can take the target with a reasonable expectation of success, the gloves are off. We will compete and may the best guild win.