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Old 08-27-2012, 11:57 AM
Nirgon Nirgon is offline
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Update:
From the people I've spoken with who lead raids in the classic era, this much is confirmed: You won't find patch notes on this, only the bits of evidence found stating death touch in Everlore and in the raid guide, as well as saying many mobs maybe the gang here did not know where charmable yet omitting Sirran.

Here's the break down and there's even room for this (imo) bug to make things even easier:
Sirran was charmable at one point.
He always death touched through Velious.
The Keymaster should death touch.
The Keymaster AND Sirran were charmable for the same period of time (this will REALLY make things easy..).
The mobs, when charmed, WILL death touch other NPCs: Alloria of FoH cites that they turned Sirran loose on Overseer of air. The 2 NPCs exchanged death touches, but by luck Overseer actually pulled a win when they did this!
The Keymaster also absolutely beat down raid npcs.
Charm was fixed by at least Velious, it did not exist in plane of sky any further than this.

Adding the Keymaster to Sirran's time line of being charmable is going to make things even easier here again. It's not my sole intent to make this server easier or harder (although I do hate the easier part trust me)! In fact, while the DT change would seemingly make this a "fix to having the NPC charmable", 2 enchanters could just be ready to hold down a charm on him in a worst case scenario. Having him DT other mobs, while definitely classic at some point during the classic time line is also a huge help for you. Also, if he has recently death touched and you just do a quick charm break and recharm, one enchanter should be able to hold him down.

I regret to inform you that outside from the word of the guild who spearheaded this raid and the Everlore data, there is nothing else. We dove through many screen shots and cannot in fact find any pictures of Sirran beating down the raid NPCs (being charmable) NOR can we find any of him shouting an NPC's or player's name.

I guess this is a Nilbog call based on the evidence now discovered.

I know there's quite a bit of hostility towards me for stirring the post on these bugs. I would hope you'd appreciate my efforts here and classic knowledge, still though, please feel free to come throw rotten vegetables in RNF (not here)!

Here's something else from Everlore: Level Range 60 / 63

This is also pretty much undeniable throughout the evidence I've compiled. I think this would definitely rule him out as a mob you can dictate..

Along with the reasons for charm being a problem.. same problem applies to fire giants (who are correctly immune to fear, but not charm) being charmable as we noticed on red, this comment here:

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This is completely unresistable, expcept for dragons, gods, and mobs immune to magic. It will work on anything besides those that is level 58 or below.
Given that Sirran was flagged as a death touch NPC and his listed level during the Kunark time line.. this is why I made the above claims in this thread.







Up next: dispel mechanics! Nullify magic vs cancel magic vs annul magic.
Last edited by Nirgon; 08-27-2012 at 12:35 PM..