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Originally Posted by Tanthallas
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It is pretty clear what happened today.
TMO got loot off Trakanon with 17 people at their peak engaged on him. These 17 people were the peak, not the force that ran in to engage a raid mob they planned to kill with their own guild. TMO had just wiped with 27 of these same people, so I would really love to hear the argument that it was a sufficient raid force.
I do agree that the 'sufficient raid force' concept is far too ambiguous to be able to fall back on as a rule, though. That is side-stepping the real issue here, however, which is:
1. Not only that TMO actually stoops so low as to have a monk pop up for FTE after they already had a legitimate shot without interference, but that they were actually found to be IN THE RIGHT for engaging in this behavior. Clearly, the rules need to be fucking rethought if this behavior is REWARDED.
2. The atmosphere which has been established on this server - that of rule-lawyering and ridiculous formalism - and its discontents.
3. The fact, based on these rulings, any guild is free to get FTE now as the OP has said. Once you run in with your raid force, you cannot simply 'back out' if someone else got FTE even if they dont have a sufficient force to kill it....let alone if they do.
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The main problem is hypocrisy. BDA cries when shit doesn't go their way. You guys just got VS loots from having 5 people online with 1 second earlier FTE. The you cry here when we get fte a full 10 seconds before you, and call us shady?
TMO can easily kill trakanon with 18 people... however on the FTE we had 25 there. The reason we wiped in the first place is because we had no groups formed and engaged about 15 seconds after the "batphone". It was rushed for whatever reason. BDA then had 15 mins to engage and you didnt. Stop sucking.