"It is against server policy to indefinitely kite, or otherwise keep occupied, a raid mob without intention of bringing it to your raid camp. You either bring it to your raid, die, or zone out. Obvious stall-kiting of a raid mob, especially in situations to prevent engagement by another guild, will result in disciplinary actions against the kiter's account, and possibly their raid/guild leadership." - Sirken
"take a log or SS of whos in the zone (/w all zone) and send it in with your petition. once upon a time i was in a guild that was literally seconds away from engaging trak when a monk from a competing guild let fly his javelin. we killed trak, yet the other guild got the loots because they had FTE. and yea, it sucked we didnt get the loots, but i had to tip my hat to that monk. but i mean, i'm not an idiot either. if u show me that GuildA had 35 in zone, and that GuildB had 5 in zone. and that GuildB let fly a javelin (technically gaining FTE), i'm not going to take away GuildAs loots. now if both guilds have sufficient raid forces, that would be a different story. you're going to notice in time that i'm a very big advocate of "common sense" - Sirken
"When I see blatant douchebaggery I will obviously suspend for it. But I’m not a nazi either. I have raid experience in EQ, and I understand that sometimes things like FTE can be extremely close, and I understand that things can just happen in the heat of battle, but there’s still a line that shouldn’t be crossed. P99 may not be a PvP server, but it is still a competitive raiding server. And as such, the staff wants to encourage heated, competitive contests between the guilds. We just want those contests decided by dedication and skill instead of garbage and griefing. Losing with class is always better than winning like a douchebag." - Sirken
I would suggest the people actually there/involved analyze these quotations and bold remarks themselves then depict from your proof or in the future preparation of proof to then be satisfactory to these areas.
If what exactly happened lies within the framework of what the OP posted considering TMO hasn't yet exactly denied it, but rather enforced that their force was hindered/less than sufficient, then it would appear Sirken is indeed what he says he isn't. Cause it would appear no common sense was used in his ruling if in fact there was intention to keep the mob occupied after 20 minutes was up with an insufficient force thus resulting in garbage and grief being rewarded rather than dedication and skill.
So i think we are all curious where does this dude Sirken draw the line between acting normal and/or with blatant douchebaggery? Cause common sense generally is that you don't engage a raid mob just after being rezzed, especially if that is the state the rest of your raid is in not being able to give/receive buffs/heals let alone dps effectively.
Red GM changing rules that resulted in less RnF to rules that encourage more RnF than even times past. FTE > all, everybody... pure genius!
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