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Originally Posted by Messianic
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It's not that they're not helpful or lazy - those are more player characteristics than class characteristics.
It's that they can't do anything at all which effectively acts as a force multiplier for a group. Their sustained DPS blows. Stuns aren't all that necessary or comparatively useful if the rest of the group is decent, and are a pretty huge manasink if you're doing anything except Tishan's clash. Even rangers have root, and do a good deal more sustained DPS. AoE nuking is almost never appropriate in a traditional, non-AoE group. Shadow step/Yonder are rather pointless unless you're in a hallway or really safe environment already; if you pull aggro, using those spells is one of the worst things you can do for your tank. Snare is adequate.
Basically, if you're looking for a 6th member, every single other class is a better choice, players being equal or player quality being unknown.
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Disagree completely with this. You are entitled to your opinion of course, no matter how wrong it may be. I was consistently on top of parses in my guild on live. The only other threat to me was another Wiz that I was RL friends with. And this was the case for every expansion that I ever played in. And for the record I don't have problems finding a group. I actually have people sending me tells for groups when I am not even in LFG.
I will be the first to admit the Wizard class if often not played to its fullest extent. But don't bash on an entire class of players because you ran into a few bad ones. A good Wizard is great dps and saying otherwise is just fooling yourself.
Sure if the only DPS in the group is a Wizard then DPS is going to suffer. But if there is legitimate DPS in the group already a Wizard multiplies that greatly.