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Originally Posted by Harmonium
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Not like your implying. You really have a knack for taking a concept and running into absurdity for the sake of your arguments don't you?
You also have this strange notion that I think that armed jewish civilians would have defeated Hitler on the field of battle. I think that an armed Jewish peoples scattered in Europe would have had many more survivors, that is many would have been able to succeed in escaping. Those that failed to escape would have incurred losses for the Nazi's. Apparently you think their best bet was to just... give in, roll over? Rhetorical question mind you, this debate has grown quite stale.
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The contention was that arming the populace would prevent a government from asserting a monopoly of force, all I was arguing was "No". Whether they would escape or rates of survival would be irrelevant to the topic.
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Originally Posted by Harmonium
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MYTH
“The United States helped Israel defeat the Arabs in six days.”
FACT
The United States tried to prevent the war through negotiations, but it could not persuade Nasser or the other Arab states to cease their belligerent statements and actions. Still, right before the war, President Johnson warned: “Israel will not be alone unless it decides to go alone.” 16 Then, when the war began, the State Department announced: “Our position is neutral in thought, word and deed.”
Moreover, while the Arabs were falsely accusing the United States of airlifting supplies to Israel, Johnson imposed an arms embargo on the region (France, Israel’s other main arms supplier, also embargoed arms to Israel).
By contrast, the Soviets were supplying massive amounts of arms to the Arabs. Simultaneously, the armies of Kuwait, Algeria, Saudi Arabia and Iraq were contributing troops and arms to the Egyptian, Syrian and Jordanian fronts.
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The Israelis were driving American made tanks, flying European made aircraft, using NATO small arms, wielded by troops trained in part by NATO advisors. Their military system including signals intelligence, radar technology, and combat doctrine were all bolstered by American aid.
Claiming Israel didn't have American help simply because American troops weren't on the ground ignores much of the reality of the situation.
“Our position is neutral in thought, word and deed.”
Do you honestly, sincerely think the American position was neutral? They may have said that on the international stage, but in reality, the situation was very different.