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Originally Posted by Alawen
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What you're attempting to do is maintain your point with rhetoric. You have no evidence except to back up anything you've said. None of the statistics change when the suicides are removed. You are still left with more guns, more gun violence, more violence against young people, more violence against women, more violence in the states with more guns, more violence than any other developed country.
Quibbling about what you perceive as skewed evidence with no evidence to back you up leaves your argument vapid. The UPenn study is based on statistics from the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics, the FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting system, the DOJ's National Crime Victimization Survery and the National Electronic Injury Surveillance System. You've got nothing. If you actually read it, you might learn something.
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I'm not doing research to appease your failed research. It is clear that you used statistics that included suicide rates. Those same suicide statistics are now being called violence by you (further misusing your facts). I'm not going to debate with someone that can't see the fault in that. I don't need to read it anymore, it clearly stated suicides as part of the study and mentions only death by firearms, not homicides.
There are many places where firearms have been required of residents and the populations have not only increased but crime decreased as well. If you're so hard up for researching, take a moment to check it out. The only thing I can tell is that the "gun control" that the government is doing now isn't working and they won't to do more "gun control" because of how effective it's been so far. I'm not sure about you, but the last time I did something and it failed, I didn't keep doing it hoping for a better result.
You can keep pushing those violent suicide crimes tho. I am getting a good chuckle out of that.