IB's guild on eqmac uses POP and Luclin gear, when they "claim" to be a progression guild that will only use gear from within the expansion they are at and below, with 30-50 raiders on every raid, and still wipe over and over in HOT in ToV. It took them weeks to kill kunark dragons as well.
I feel kind of like a bully for pointing this out, because they obviously need the out of era gear to kill anything because they are really bad, but it has to be pointed out to put the level of suck into perspective.
It is embarrassing, and it is shameful, but it is what it is.
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