Quote:
Originally Posted by Llabak
[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
From the perspective of the BDA necro at the last spawn. Taken's perspective may well be different:
Last Verina was a bitch of a spawn, went damn near to the end of the window. She popped, and people came running. THere were about 15 or so people in the zone or so, perhaps 4 or 5 taken, 4 BDA, and a smattering of others. I, 56 necro, engaged Verina, being assured that with a 59 cleric, 60 druid and the epic-waiting enchanter we'd have no problem dropping her. 50-something warrior was zoning in as I engaged.
My pet got FTE and then Taken jumped in on the mob. Lostprophets (epic warrior) outdamaged my pet (go fig) and their group got the kill. Their chanter looted the epic piece and they all left.
Their argument was that I we couldn't claim the camp with a necro/cleric/druid/chanter, since that didn't represent "kill force," I think confusing the camping rules (need killing force) with the FTE rules (first to engage on a popped mob wins). BDA petitioned, GM agreed that we had FTE and deserved the loot, and our chanter received the piece.
I'm pleased to note that through it all, Taken and BDA were relatively civil to each other (in non /gu at least giggle), and there wasn't any ugly name calling. I suspect, however, that there are some people on both sides who aren't happy with the way things went, and aren't happy with specific members of the other guild, which is really a shame.
In summation, this whole thing is a giant clusterfuck. It seems like there are permanent trackmules just sitting there in the room staring at the spawn point, and while there's no clickfest like Ragefire, it's still hardly a healthy situation. It would be great if the leadership of the big guilds would get together and hash out a rotation just like Ragefire. I, however, am just a worker bee logging in to kill pixels, and so my opinion isn't worth a whole heck of a lot.
-Berty, BDA Necro
|
I'll add my commentary to this thread as I have been personally involved with some of the commentary here and have felt the sting of losing the spawn to another force etc.
So, I was the <Taken> enchanter referenced by Berty. It was indeed a crappy camp. This was my third shot at Verina. My First camp was lost to BDA as they got a force capable of killing her first and we watched them kill her. My warrior arrived about 30 seconds after they engaged. I congratulated the enchanter and I was happy for him (and yeah, a little jealous) :-) My second camp got interrupted as my daughter was visiting and I left the camp to spend time with her and another <Taken> enchanter took over. My third attempt was the one referenced by Berty above. A Lvl 56 Necro pet along with the force mentioned above was not capable of killing a lvl 60 Cleric mob nor would it have lasted long enough if your warrior made it in a couple of minutes later (I don't know where your warrior was zoning into but I never saw him in zone as the attack was under way). Our warrior (lvl 60 with epic) saw what you had and attacked 9 seconds after your pet did as his interpretation of the posted rules was that you did not have a force capable of killing the camped mob. (I'm guessing you saw that our warrior was in zone and decided to take a gamble by attacking her) On the server though, FTE trumps other rules and we should have waited for you to wipe. There was never a dispute that you were FTE, just that you were not first to the camp with a kill force capable. It was akin to kiting a dragon. Yes, you are engaged but you can't kill it. I'll skip any other thoughts or notions on this part as it will drag on and on.
Our guild leader communicated with the BDA guild leader to see about a compromise and in the end we agreed to hand over the drop and Amelinda facilitated it (without investigating). I agree that both sides handled the dispute well.
I decided to camp her again (4th time) and started tracking her about a day after her window opened up and Kopi and I had a pleasant conversation (as did Freeid and I). The server was repopped and Kopi had most of his force ready to go but no warrior. <Taken> got our force there and got the kill (finally).
I felt relief at finally getting this behind me but I also felt badly for those yet to get their kill. I agree that this camp should get on a rotation similar to Ragefire (ugh, and I've been doing that camp a lot too). An agreement should be reached with the guilds to rotate this mob. To those who feel that unguided enchanters should be included, I disagree. Verina Tomb and a few other of the mobs can be killed with a strong group but there are other pieces which really need a larger force which pretty much needs a guild. (The Prince in Chardok and the Wraith in Fear really do need a raid force to get to in my opinion and I am sure some will disagree.) I do urge the guilds to work up a rotation. Perhaps a meeting can be held with representatives of each of the capable guilds to agree to a rotation etc. Just doing this through the message boards is not going to succeed as there will be people throwing in comments and criticisms and the conversation will go nowhere.