[Xadion]

Here is my personal thoughts on VD vs TMO or how ever you want to state it.

VD was used by DA to beat IB in sky back in classic- we all got loot from this- kunark hit and DA did the whole stupid mergeing thing and all sorts of stupidness happend... by all in all DA basically split to TMO and IB/TR - the DA members that moved to TMO gave them the numbers and some gear to start ramping up the raid scene.

Fast forward some more- TMO starts to beat IB/TR in some encounters- IB/TR starts to loose their standard members that always get geared from being 'pal' status - and awate VP/Velious- so they start to use VD to boost their numbers etc etc

Fast forward to TR/IB starting to leave the server- or whatever you belive-- VD says "We are = to ib/tr and > TMO we should get XYZ" - TMO says no we are not handing you mobs you must prove it.

Fighting to get into a top-tier raid position on this server is hard, it was a long hard road in DA to get into even a 20% share of raid mobs vs TR/IB and harder to keep that foothold and increase it.... so TMO is not going to GIVE it to VD-

Fast forward some more- VD failed at asserting themselves as the guild they claimed to be- members and leaders QQed and made up whatever reasons they wanted to move on- thats fine, EQ is a game- enjoy playing or dont play...its a game bros.

All the while 'other' guilds where QQing that they 'could not' get any type of foothold because of the infighting between whatever top 2 forces on the server are- well thats BS imo- but Zeelot for whatever reason starts to say to leave one dragon up and only to mess with it if VD shows up- why? because remeber VD you all claimed to be the top and wanted to compete with us- so we are only doing what you all wanted... now maybe if your leaders admit you are nothing more than a scrub guild then you can maybe talk to the guilds above you into letting you into their uncontested dragons- but I dunno if Taken, BDA etc will want you to move up to their level yet.