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As a community, we should call them out specifically, de-guild them and ostracize them. There is no place for them to go.
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I think this is done for the most part. There's been a few notable exceptions here and there, but most guilds are willing to I'd think. As I said earlier, aside from general trolling which can typically be safely ignored, most guilds will take action when presented with strong evidence or proof of a member's misdeeds.
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Yah.. I don't think they want maint. day
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It is my impression that TMO, as a whole, strongly supports patch day spawns. They are extremely fun, and it becomes more about skill than socking/tracking. Right now mobs are dominated by trackers. When you're racing, a single wipe or messed up pull costs you time which loses mobs.
It really sucks when you miss a patch day, I think perhaps leaving spawn times as they are and putting in a random repop once every 2-3 weeks as a supplement would be the most balanced solution.
We're a bit derailed towards an end game discussion at the moment. @ the OP: Your earlier fear about out-and-out exploiting is mostly unfounded. In my opinion. The GMs have access to extremely detailed logs and they do watch on a regular basis. I'm going to be a bit presumptuous here, but I suspect you are mentioning the controversy over our pull methods inside of VP. If you check my post history, you will find a detailed discussion addressing these exact concerns.
In the end, actual exploiting is very easy to prove if it happens. The GMs can, and eventually, will catch you. What I suspect has you worried (TMO in VP) isn't a discussion so much about exploiting, but a confusion of terms. The word "exploit" was used to describe our behavior, but it was later clarified and repudiated by the server staff. I think a more appropriate way to say would be that the server staff felt we were trivializing the content (an assertion with which we respectfully disagreed). Exploiting is a wrong, trivialization is a no-fault problem.
Again, if you'd like a more detailed analysis (along with me nearly losing my patience with a particular someone a few times), I would direct you here:
http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=68671
If this is not what had you concerned, then feel free to ignore it.
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but I do think it's hella funny that TMO is the first to hop into the thread and get defensive.
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Perhaps, but I am sure you can see how we drew the conclusion that this was likely directed at us. If our goal is to improve and maintain a good reputation, why wouldn't we join a discussion where our relationship is on the line? It's decision theory 101. The only logical choice it seems is to advocate for ourselves in a situation where we would benefit from it.