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those guilds get a shot the same way that TMO got a shot when IB was running the end game scene. you get a bunch of determined members and you just do it a couple times. you will get some, they will get some. and thats it. Every guild DOES have a chance, but having a chance doesn't mean getting the mob handed to u on a silver platter.
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You mean use the old first 15 on spawn get camp rule? Or do you mean the one where you have an SK FD near the mob with a pet sitting on spawn point and then claim FTE?
IB is certainly guilty of escalating matters in the raid scene but DA/TMO are the OGs when it comes to rule lawyering. If that's your definition of determined I guess we have little to talk about.