[Bockscar]

Originally Posted by Kringe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think its your memory that maybe jaded... I was pretty well known on RZ for a very long time, and yet no one recalls you ever in classic pvp and or what server did you play on?
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PS Im curious to know who you played (what server) and more of your "classic memories".

I played on TZ as Eloran and Nebuchanezer, and on SZ as Hrothgar (SnP/Umbra) and Hodja (BP), but I'm euro so this mostly-US playerbase doesn't really know me. I was part of the danecrew, though not the RZ/VZ ones. "I'm so famous" is not a very compelling argument. If you have to pull that crap into the discussion, it makes people even less inclined to believe you're right.

Now by your own posts so far (easy to get 170mr on a warrior, easy to get 150cold/fire) you are basically telling the community you are a proponent of melee and casters are literally worthless in classic (minus the early rush to 50 and the short term wait for a few melee to gear up).
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One part of your jaded memory is true (post Id say 150, you could/can resist the spell line, Fire line seemed much easier to resist than cold (given the fact IC has a small built in resist factor/and Temp Flux staff..) it wasnt resisted/partially resisted near as much.. It still had a strong impact.
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So one last rehash, if we go off your theories (No one on the entire server should roll any caster whatsoever, because you will A) Get fully resisted on ALL your Spell lines post 120 or close to it where it means nothing.
B) Will only be able to live your glory for the first month of 50s and become worthless the rest of your EQ Career other than a Portbot/Healbot/Buffbot.)

Establishing fabricated points to give yourself something to argue against isn't going to make you right. I've said that 170 MR or 150 FR/CR is possible, never easy, and generally not unbuffed. In fact, I've specifically pointed out that 150+ FR/CR usually requires buffs. I've simply pointed out the levels of resist that are possible to obtain, and disputed your argument that this or that spell isn't made much less useful even by those resists. I've never said anyone will "get fully resisted on ALL your spell lines post 120," that comes from your... jaded memory. I said: 100-120ish is where you start frequently shaving off a significant portion of nuke damage. Warping statements I made as recently as last page does not help your case.

I didn't bring my chosen class type into this (I haven't decided on one yet), so there's little point in trying to argue that I just want to win advantages for myself. If you want to get into that whole spiel (which, again, is completely irrelevant to the discussion) then it looks just as likely that you're doing the same. The only difference is that your claims are absurd.

Regardless of that, let's stick to what's actually relevant here. My argument is that resists become strong against nukes at 100-120ish, very strong at 150+, and make you nearly immune at 200+. Your argument, as far as I can tell, is that you need 150+ to even be able to resist nukes and 200 to be decently protected. I hope I'm not sounding smug when I say that anyone who actually knows their shit is aware of how far off the mark you are. By the way, all the normal wizard nukes have that -10 resist check. You're not impressing anyone by pointing out that Ice Comet has it.

If you're worried about casters becoming worthless, don't fret. As we both know, most people won't be running around with insanely high resists, and most caster classes have ways around it anyway. You are presumably not suggesting that wizards will still be casting Ice Comet in Kunark. The reason they were given lures was because high resists routinely countered wizards in PvP.

When everyone (at least from RZs stand point) remembers the most devasting combo for almost a year was Enchanter/Wizard (but again from your stand point and all these unbuffed resists you are throwing out there, both are worthless) Badmartigan/Ilsen anyone?
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Again your memory is jaded... Hardly anyone had resist jewlery for the first 6months (you would be lucky to have 1 Jacinth or Diamond Ring)and gems didnt drop like candy from planes (vz/tz memories) or from Dino as often as some may think. I know this because I was the 3rd Enchanter to 50 and one of the only high end JCers on RZ (Played Rigamortiz if you must know)

The two are likely connected. Most people didn't have great resists back then, you said it yourself. A lot of things will be different here, as they were on VZTZ and P99.

Again this isnt a pissing match, I just dont want to see someone who is a proponent of melee, try and throw casters out the window completely.

Didn't you turn it into a pissing match when you brought in the whole "well I was this famous, how about you" nonsense? I'm just interested in the facts. You seem more concerned with being right regardless of whether or not what you're saying is correct.