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Originally Posted by Silikten
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First off, saying false accusations like this is what will get you griefed. Nobody likes people who throw around responsibility like none of it is their fault. Second, if you intend to respond by saying "I never played with the VZTZ crowd" (whatever the fuk you mean by vztz crowd) then you are commenting on something to which you have no idea about. Another reason why people will dislike you. I already do.
I played on VZTZ, there were incredibly nice people and very awesome GMs. The reason it got shut down was hacking. Not grief. People's idea of grief are totally different. One may be killing him while on a CR and he quits. Another may be training him twice. Some people just can't get over the fact it is just a game.
Also, Nilbog, along with several other people liked the idea of item loot. But people like you feel that is "griefing." So what exactly is griefing?
Lastly, EQ has always been a PvP game. The best one I have played. As Fuzzy stated, the only reason to PvE is to be the top at PvP, period. It is incredibly easy to beat a game. INCREDIBLY EASY. To beat something that can adapt and evolve, like a player, is considerably harder.
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I tried playing on VZTZ, but I was left in the dust as far as leveling went, and had to play catch up. Then every guild seemed to make it a requirement to know all of the high-end content before joining. Not just raids, but exp spots and everything. On live, I didn't get to experience much high-end content until luclin/pop because I was elf purist and PK'd out of those places 95% of the time. It was just a little too hardcore for me. But I did watch.
And what I saw was hacking, training, finger-pointing (GM favoritism) and generally immature behavior, on ALL sides.
Btw, I have never said (nor do I believe) that item loot is griefing. It just doesn't belong on Red99, at least for the time being, because of what it would to population. Prospective blues do not want item loot, and we need prospective blues :P