Right na I get you Ektar, sometimes my words do not completely explain my thoughts. If there are multiple number 1 guilds, then I feel no one is really number 1... And to be honest you are right about the definition of downfall, in reality if you lose any position at all then it is called a downfall. I am currently watching 8 heads in a duffel bag way more than I'm paying attention on here, so sorry
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