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Originally Posted by mwatt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have no evidence that what you postulate is true - i.e. that one guild is receiving special treatment over others. I suppose if I saw a systematic favoritism applied over time, It might give me cause to consider my stay here. But this is a one shot deal. Because of the large number of potential accounts that would dissappear, I can see how Rogean and staff would give consideration to waiving their own rules on a one time basis. If the result of said one time leniency appeared from some perspective as if it favored a certain guild or guilds, I would not get all dramatic about it - this would not be a systematic application of favoritism.

You're confused. We're talking about 2 different things. I'm talking about a raid leader who was caught using a 3rd party hack during a competitive raid. This issue is beyond the 365 accounts being caught hacking. The 365 accounts should be banned permanently, but this is beyond that. Secondly, I don't believe in leniency when it comes to hacking anyways, so your premise concerning "special treatment" is null and void. I believe punishment should be handed out fairly and that hasn't happened yet.

Here are the facts:

1) Guild A had an officer caught using SEQ while tracking. Not during an actual raid mind you. Tracking. The punishment was a 2 week raid suspension for the entire guild.

Guild A later had a member caught using SEQ. Keep in mind he was not even at the potential raid. He was in Lguk farming. Guild A received another 2 week vacation from raiding. I agreed with both rulings. Guild A suffered as a result, and rightly so. They lost members. Weren't able to raid, and their reputation was damaged.

2) Guild B has their raid leader caught using SEQ during an actual competitive raid. Guild B suffers no punishment. Guild B claims they will accept the cheater back into their ranks with open arms. (which is basically a FU to the devs) Will probably also reward him with money and plvling. Keep in mind that not all their members know the right people within their guild to be given this opportunity.

The rules are the rules. This server is supposed to not be a haven for cheaters. Cheaters using 3rd party software are not supposed to be shown leniency. They undermine the credibility of the server.

Again, this is Nilborgs's and Rogean's and company's house. I trust them to do what is basically the right thing, with a little bit of autocraticness thrown in. Goddamn, they built it and maintain it. That gives them the right. So far, I very much like the result of their decisions. I don't agree with all of them (e.g. the recent announcement of SoF support going away) but that's just too bad for me.

I no longer trust them to do the right thing after this appalling ruling that is a slap in the face to every player who has played on this server for years by the rules. I hope they re evaluate their decision and do the right thing. It's long overdue.

Again, overall, I like what they do here. Unless they consistently and repeatedly begin to dissappoint me I won't leave. Under no circumstances will I start some sort of crusade to change things or try to rile people up. I will and have stated opinions on things in the past, and I think it is ok to politely discuss them up to a point. Beyond a certain point I will not go - it is bad manners and it might be construed as biting the hand that feeds me.

Then Project 1999 should not have any rules against cheaters if they aren't going to properly enforce them. They shouldn't have raid suspended past guilds for using SEQ, and then let another guild slide without any punishment. Not even a warning. Nothing. Instead their guild members are creating threads, trying to manipulate the narrative that every other guild whose officers don't cheat will just have to keep quiet and suck it up.

In regard to sharing the server with cheaters... these guys are doing a lot more than I have seen done anywhere else to identify and punish cheaters. I don't see a one time pseudo-amnesty as evidence of corruption. I see it as an attempt to make a practical decision. Obviously some people disagree with it. Fine. Say so, then either leave or stay, but let it go.

By allowing those accounts to continue to be active here, we are now sharing the server with cheaters. You can spin it emotionally and rationalize it any way you want to, but at the end of the day you're sharing the server with cheaters. Ultimately it's up to you to decide if it's environment you want to spend your time in. I've been playing on this server a long time. The 365 banned accounts was bad enough, but for the developers to not permanently ban them and take action against guilds whose officers were caught hacking is appalling to me. I thought the devs had better sense than that and more pride in the community their project brought together.

Instead they are allowing a cancer to fester and grow.