Originally Posted by Ektar
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First of all, you seem to be the least crazy of the people on the thread, so know from the beginning this post is not flaming at you but pointing out the problems with your case.
The thing is, when making accusations, you need to work with indisputable evidence. And no, I am not saying "haha we did it and you can't prove it." You have (the ones you are referring to) screenshots of your raid wiping; none of which have any sort of indication that IB was involved in ANY way other than something the poster typed underneath it, such as "IB did this." The screenshot of FB wiping to the "train" is merely showing you guys had a bunch of mobs.
Furthermore, you are overlooking a scenario in your rendition of the population event. According to the rules, once you fall under 15, you lose your front seat in the line and must restart at the back of the line once you get back to 15. Yes, you did have more than 15 first, but upon your wipe you lost that 15 man mark. During your recovery, IB had 15+ in the zone while FB was still under 15.
Yes, if IB trained you this is illegitimate; but since you have no actual proof (and, once again, not saying "did it - you can't prove it"), you cannot use this in your case. So since there is a timestamped screenshot of IB having 15 before FB, we gained the front seat.
Now I'm not going to argue if we have a legit timestamped screenshot or not cuz that's either a yes or no that I can't back up (that is, I don't personally have it). I wasn't present for this clusterfuck. I am just explaining it as I heard it (and as I believe, cuz I trust my pals (which, once again, is not part of this debate)).
So that is IB's side. Again, we're not merely banking on the fact that you don't actually have proof - we're banking on the fact that the accusations are false. There is no proof because it's impossible to have it.
And the big problem was that IB zoned in while you guys were CRing. As far as we were concerned, there was no ambiguity; we had 15, you did not. So ya see, as far as WE were concerned, you were being dickbags jacking our draco before following the necessary steps (calling 30 min, etc).
Perhaps we should amend the raid rules with a clause to claim ownership. Yes you don't claim your own 30 minutes. But perhaps we should do something like that, yeah? Maybe not if you're all alone when you zone in, but if there's a few of another guild in the zone, ya go hey guyz we got 15, you don't, that coo? And if there's a disagreement, at least it's beforehand and not after a guild acts and a clusterfuck occurs.
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