[ElanoraBryght]

VS fight has become "we cant clear to him, or the other guild will leapfrog us. so we'll leave the raid force at the zone line, and try to get FTE on VS. If we train every exp camp from VS room to zone in, and everyone fighting at zone in, along the way, so be it. At least we may get the kill!"

Where did this come from? Draco. FG's.

When gms set the precedence that it doesnt matter who kills the trash, it's ok to leapfrog others and it's all about who gets the named, all bets were off. The guild that stops to clear won't get the boss. The guild that trains every mob in the zone, kills the boss, loots 5 seconds before they wipe, has "won"* - even if that win means anyone else raiding / exping in that zone has had to eat a death / lose their exp time as part of the cost.

*Won. Heh. It's not just one guild doing this. If it doesn't wipe my raid, I don't petition it; we're supposed to be working things out not pissing gm's off. But that doesn't mean we don't see it, ss it, fraps it, and have to decide when the next boss spawns if it's worth going after or not based on the recent server history with petitions and gm responses.