[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by ArkhamCifre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I find if so funny that people cannot accept that some else thinks or believes what they don't and have no ability (willingness?) to use listen to anothers words/meaning without hearing only what they want to argue about.

Take your own advice. See below.

Originally Posted by ArkhamCifre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The word belief means--belief. Its retared to say someone cannot speak with certainty about their belief..

That would be true if there was some shred of evidence for why they believe something, such as in science. The scientific method allows for the gathering and evaluation of evidence to show consistent results based on rigorous testing. If a rock falls EVERY time you drop it, something must cause that. Newton came up with gravity. Lots of scientists have proved it's validity since then. I "believe" in gravity. Your "belief" that there are no such things as "deities" or "higher powers" or whatever jargon you want to use is based on "some idea you thought up."

Originally Posted by ArkhamCifre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

its there belief if they aren't certain about it then it's not realy a belief is it?

You can certainly have belief without certainty.

Originally Posted by ArkhamCifre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's a sort of haphazard leaning. What is not certain is the connection between the belief and objective reality.

I knew a guy in high school like you. He would be having a conversation with himself in his head, and then just continue it with whoever was around, expecting them to have some idea of what the fuck he was babbling about.

Originally Posted by ArkhamCifre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And I realy don't get the point of Fenawin and Hasbinbad.

We have been sent here to destroy you.

Originally Posted by ArkhamCifre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you believe there are deities just not Christ? Or maybe all the other Earth based deities? Maybe you believe in Xenu and laugh at us silly non-Scientologist?

No. I am agnostic, the only logical choice.

Originally Posted by ArkhamCifre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The throwing around of words like groundless instead of breaking down the logic I set down as to why an atheist does not believe in deities is avoidance.

I'm sorry, I didn't notice any logic in anything you said. I've gone back, and still cannot find any. Please reiterate this "logic" that you speak of, and I will be happy to trounce your idiotic ass more specifically next time.

Originally Posted by ArkhamCifre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's like me saying well it's groundless that you say atheism is groundless.

No, I said that your "belief" that there are no deities is groundless. You have absolutely no evidence of any such thing, ergo groundless. If you have some form of evidence of the lack of a higher power, please present it, I'm sure 7 billion people would love to hear it. Same thing goes for religious people.

Originally Posted by ArkhamCifre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My real reason to responding to this thread was not that I care what anyone believes or doesn't. It was the fact that it became vague.

What the fuck are you talking about? I can get by typos, but you're just rambling at this point.

Originally Posted by ArkhamCifre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Christians by defintion believe the things you enumerated in the first post Hasbinbad ( tho I'm sure they would not phrase them in the same way lol).

That is as ignorant a thing as I have ever heard. There are billions of christians in the world, and to insinuate that they all believe exactly the same things is retarded on a whole new level than I have ever been exposed to, and *I* have seen the p99 forums!

Originally Posted by ArkhamCifre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fenawin then attacked athiest in a way that was not accurate. By saying that all do this or believe that when there is only one single thing that defines atheisim is not on a level with the brilliant mocking of the original post.

Sure it is. He pointed out how religious nuts and atheist nuts are exactly the same in their nuttiness. Neither one of you has any real basis for believing what you believe, and yet somehow it's atheist idiots and religious idiots that are most vocal, leaving the logical people mostly in the dark.

Originally Posted by ArkhamCifre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I love debate, I love sarcasm and paraody and satire. The problem is that when it degenerates into vague statements of personal ill will devoid of a relationship to what is supposedly targeted then it's simple and typical internet static.

Agains with the disconnected rambling, what is your point? What are you saying is vague? How is what we said not specific?

Originally Posted by ArkhamCifre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry this has been a bore to write so it must be mind numbing to read, but you ever get that hair up your arse over something and you just have to say something?

I assume you're talking to finaweird? He was just stating the obvious.

Originally Posted by ArkhamCifre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well I got that hair out so I'm going to say Happy Easter to all. Eat some choclate bunnies, think about Ol' Christos and all the other saviors we've had and the deities they are/represent. Ask yourself...just WTF IS a deity? That in a nutshell says wether or not you are athiest.

This is the kind of ignorant spouting that I take issue with. You're speaking with certainty as if people WILL be atheist by default if they have some view or another. The default position is actually ignorance. The embracing of that ignorance embodies agnosticism. We are smart enough to know that there is no knowing, that knowing is beyond us, and move on. It's so frustrating to watch gullible people get trapped by liars like you.

Originally Posted by ArkhamCifre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

O, and no one honestly knows shit about anything. But using that card in any discussion is an instant buzz kill.

By this statement, you're an agnostic, not an atheist.

Originally Posted by kanly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well i will put in my 2 cp, i am an atheist. I dont know with any certainty that there is no god.

By this statement, you're an agnostic, not an atheist.

Originally Posted by kanly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can say that i have made the decision that i feel the religions on this planet are false as there are problems and contradictions within any of them. There could possibly be some kind of supreme being but if there is i dont know who it is nor do i feel the need to worship it. Either way ill be working today to let my religious friends have the day off and enjoying some left overs from the families Easter dinner.

Again, you're an agnostic, not an atheist.

Agnosticism literally means "without knowledge," which is what we all are. So admit it, quit pretending you know something the rest of us don't.

I don't give a shit how cool you think Richard Dawkins or your local pastor are, neither one has a leg to fucking stand on.

Shut up.