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DSM in 2025, favoring sustained output over max mana:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me ask you a question. Do you always meditate back to full mana before starting a new encounter, or do you sometimes start a new encounter under 100% mana?

If you generally start a new encounter at say 2000/2400 mana, you are not using 400 of your max mana that is from gear in each of those encounters.

Max mana is good when you are starting an encounter at max mana, let's say a solo artist challenge. You can cast more spells in a short period before OOM.

This is true across all classes. You don't need 3 60 Rangers to understand this.

On my SK I don't wait until 100% mana to start fighting a new mob in a group when I am tanking and/or pulling.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fixing the group's issues is more efficient than stacking max mana.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Max mana should be a lower priority for sure. When trying to maximize kills per hour, you generally aren't meditating to full mana before the next kill, so extra max mana is often unused.

DSM in 2023, favoring max mana over sustained output:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you may have forgotten we are talking about SKs.

SKs don't need to worry about gating mobs, they have fear and snare. This can be used in both solo and group scenarios. Both of these spells use mana (INT), and Iksars do not have access to Blood Ember Clickies. Preventing a mob from gating completely is much more effective than slightly faster kill speeds. If you are doing a solo challenge mob that is immune to fear, that is one of the situations where the INT comes in handy! You are going to be using your full mana bar for that kind of fight, including the +20 INT from starting stats.

In a raid you have full access to buffs, which means you are STR capped anyway. You are getting +135 STR from Maniacal Strength and Focus of Spirit, which means you only need 120 STR before buffs. You simply need +40 STR from your gear on an Iksar SK if you put your starting stats into INT. I would be amazed if a level 60 melee class had less than +40 STR from gear. Please do not try and use the argument that asking for Maniacal strength is some kind of burden on Shamans lol. I have raid buffed for years, and never had an issue with buffing people with DEX and STR in addition to FoS and STA.

You are massively overestimating the small benefits you are getting from +20 STR via starting stats. Please stop telling people they are getting massive gains. This is simply false. I have provided plenty of counter evidence thus far, which you have yet to refute.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Using your analogy, INT is constantly having a 16 gallon tank. STR is having a small 1 gallon attachment to your 15 gallon tank that occasionally falls off.

Would you prefer a 16 gallon tank, or a 15 gallon tank with a 1 gallon attachment that sometimes falls off?

When you are stat capped, you get nothing.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

INT is always helping.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have shown that there are going to be a lot of scenarios in which a 4-5% DPS boost is not going to give you any more kills per hour.

Blah blah blah

Yes I remember this thread because it was where I finally got triggered and butthurt enough to put him on ignore on my old account.

He's at it again!

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

+20 STR to smash your keyboard and ensure that you don't waste time replying to DSM threads.
+20 STA to have the endurance required to keep up with DSM threads
+20 DEX to type replies more quickly in DSM threads
+20 INT to come up with stronger arguments in DSM threads
+20 WIS to understand from the get-go that you shouldn't even bother responding to DSM threads
+20 CHA to post better memes and gifs in DSM threads

Typical DSM M.O, pick some absurd, reductionist position that completely misses the forest for the trees and plant your feet for 60 pages. The positions don't even have to be logically consistent with each other across threads! I thought about doing a Clear argues with Clear but it's too much effort.

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