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Originally Posted by Rygar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

WoW had plenty of "original ideas" if anyone can really say that in a fantasy setting (meaning everyone copies from D&D)

But to name a few: using a separate stat (resilience) to balance PvP play and not unbalance PvE, battlegrounds, quest exp system was very intuitive to new players, economy super well balanced (best I've seen in an MMO), stat tree allowed for a single class to function based on how you prefer to play (i.e. shaman could be a healer, range DPS, or melee DPS), armor enchants, trade skill system was integral to raiding, instancing, griffon travel, character fashion quest customization, etc.

And lest not forget a true "good vs. evil" system where you couldn't even group or communicate with the opposing faction.

Shame on you for playing Alliance (and making this thread)

I'm actually curious when the last time you played WoW was ?

-Resilience was removed from the game 15ish years ago because of how unpopular it was, but I also don't know if you could necessarily consider it an original idea since it was a band-aid for a problem that didn't exist in EQ.

-BGs are not original to WoW, they first appeared in DAoC.

-The economy in EverQuest is superior to any other MMO I've ever played. There are really, really, really exciting items you can buy with the currency. People go out and farm the currency because of how valuable it is. Meanwhile on WoW I have over 10 million gold, and could buy dozens of WoW tokens. That's about all I could buy. You basically can't buy any powerful items in WoW, making the economy extremely boring.

-Talent Trees were not original to WoW. I also remember playing City of Heroes months before WoW came out; game was built around completely customizing your character through talent trees. EQ 2 also had talent trees and came out before WoW. Talent trees in WoW have also aged horribly to where you have no choice. It's hard to get excited about the next expansion coming out because they highlight these super unique talent choices, but in reality I can just glance at them and already know which ones will be mandatory for my spec to be viable.

-Instances are not original to WoW. The first time an instance ever appeared in an MMO was EverQuest, Lost Dungeons of Norrath.

(i.e. shaman could be a healer, range DPS, or melee DPS)

I find that WoW did a terrible job at this to be honest. In EverQuest a Shaman or Druid can Heal or DPS. They are true hybrids in that sense. There's no such thing as inviting a Shaman and finding out he can't heal, or inviting a Druid and finding out he can't deal DPS.

In WoW, they call classes like Shaman and Druid "hybrids," but the reality is, they are forced to choose a role. Which doesn't really make them hybrids. I remember when WoW first launched 20+ years ago, I would get mad at the Druids in my group because they couldn't heal or tank. I just didn't understand it because they were advertised as hybrids; what do you mean you can't heal or tank??? You're a hybrid!

And yes, WoW did eventually add dual specialization to the game, but IDK how original that is because it's addressing a problem that didn't exist in EQ. And I also find it largely irrelevant because the game is so homogenized how that rogues and warriors can heal better than druids etc. making the hybrid titles even more irrelevant.

-Trade system being integral to gameplay isn't really an original WoW idea. It started with SWG, and was carried on in EQ 2.

-Griffin travel? I mean you may have a point there, but EQ had teleports, portals, PoK books, and boats long before WoW was even conceptualized. And ironically most people agree, even blizzard employees, that flying ruined WoW.

-The fashion quest customization part triggered me. EverQuest had custom cowls, and you could literally dye your armor. The transmog system? It was copy/pasta'd from Rift, but the version in Rift, called the wardrobe system, was superior in every way. So superior in fact, that WoW's next expac is adopting it. Unfortunately we still won't be able to dye our armor in WoW. I'm sure they will eventually add it in a future expac and pretend like it's new groundbreaking content.

And lest not forget a true "good vs. evil" system where you couldn't even group or communicate with the opposing faction.

This part triggered me too. I spent the last few years of my EQ career playing on Sullon Zek. You couldn't communicate with separate factions. I don't think anyone would actually argue that the language system in WoW is more advanced than the language system in EverQuest. Quite the opposite.