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Old 09-24-2025, 11:07 AM
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Idk why we can't both agree to Christ's love and salvation while also simultaneously recognizing that sex is enjoyable.
Because established religions (and not just the Christian ones) lean heavily conservative. The more established they are, the more likely they will lean that way.

And this isn't even just a religious thing: any type of group (even "liberal" political parties) will tend to become more conservative over time. The whole point of the group is to keep doing things their way ... which increasingly puts them against doing things any new way.

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Originally Posted by Conservative, dictionary definition
averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values.
Now, if you actually read the Christian Bible (many Christians don't), it's undeniable that Christ was incredibly "liberal": he didn't want to preserve his society or take it backwards, he wanted to bring (massively) new ideas and changes.

In fact, the foundational Christian myth is probably the most famous story ever written of conservatives killing someone for being too liberal.

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Originally Posted by Liberal, dictionary definition
willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.
In the past, women were closer to being property than people, and control of their sexuality was a key part of that (see female genital mutilation for a non-Christian example). You can't go back to the way things were (eg. where women stayed in the kitchen) without also having the societal control over their sexuality.

So the answer to "why we can't both agree to Christ's love and salvation while also simultaneously recognizing that sex is enjoyable" is that maybe once upon a time Christ's love and salvation was all anyone cared about ... but then they tried to codify that, and turn it into an institution that would preserve liberal Christian values.

However, because of the way we humans are wired, the very act of creating a long-standing institution went directly against that very goal.
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