[Passenger]

Toxxulia Forest and The Karanas

We've seen comments after the Mar2001 patch that mention unique fish replacing Fresh Fish in the Karanas and Toxxulia Forest. Given that unique fish were added to these zones earlier than the others, I wondered if their tables changed in Mar2001.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20030521...t=960&start=25

Here Fishy Fishy Fishy!
By: Anonymous
Posted @ Mon, Jan 29th 11:53 PM 2001

The fishing frenzy has begun. A minimum of 60 bait have been thrown into each of the following bodies of water. I have had a fishing skill in excess of 150 for all those casts. And yes, yes... I *do* smell awful, and no, no... my guildmates do *not* want any more fish to eat.

Results for Odus:

Local Fish Other Garbage
Toxxulia Greengill Salmon Shoes, Daggers, Fish Scales
Kerra Ridge Fresh Fish Shoes, Daggers, Fish Scales
Erudin Docks Fresh Fish Shoes, Daggers, Fish Scales
Paineel Pond Fresh Fish Shoes, Daggers, Fish Scales
Erud's Crossing Fresh Fish Shoes, Daggers, Fish Scales

Results for Antonica (so far):
East Karana Thunder Salmon Shoes, Daggers, Fish Scales
Rivervale Fresh Fish Shoes, Daggers, Fish Scales

I have also spent some amount of time "hunting" in each of these locations, however fish hunting is a boring endeavor (YOU try to chase tiny little fish using sense animal and/or camping the ever-joyous single Razorfish spawn in Kerra). I'll keep squishing every fish I see, but there are limits to my madness!

I'd love to hear if anyone else has made concentrated efforts in any zones. I did spend about 20 bait in OOT, and did fish up the Seaweed. And yes, I have the meat from Kelorek D'ar. Its just the Roe, the miserable awful terrible caviar!

My current theory is that if I were a game designer, a swamp would be a good place to put fish roe, followed closed by Timorous Deep -- perhaps on those eel-like fishies that lurk where Faydedar does.

Righto! Back to the slaughter...
-= Ashwith Fairfever
-= L59 Luminary, Shadows of the Unseen, Quellious

This comment pre-dates the Mar2001 additions and suggests that the two salmon replaced the fresh fish when they were added in Sept2000. In other words, the Mar2001 patch doesn't seem to have altered the fishing tables of these zones.

Kerra Ridge

The mention of Fresh Fish in Kerra Ridge also raises a question about the Kerra Catfish. It appears it really was added in the Mar2001 patch as suggested in the "New Fish Thread" linked previously.

Interestingly, I haven't found a write-up for the quest requiring a Kerra Catfish anywhere except the wiki: Wislen Mamluk's Catfish. The page was only added in 2020 and was apparently sourced from P99 itself. I did the quest on P99 and confirmed it works as described.

The earliest reference to Wislen's dialogue that I've encountered comes from Vaslin's Compendium. I used version 2.4.0 (Latest Additions: Feb. 14, 2001). The link on the page lists version 2.3, but the file lists 2.4.0.

You say, 'hail Wislen Mamluk'

Wislen Mamluk says 'Why you bother Wislen? Wislen trying to get fishies. Leave Wislen alone to get the [fish] please.

You say, 'What fish?'

Wislen Mamluk says 'Fish. Wislen fish. Wislen is mamluk, not just fisher. Mamluk is warrior but they also helps provide for all kerran. This is hadi place in life. We happy doing this. Please, let me fish now.

Notably, the keyword to advance the quest, kerran, isn't bracketed in the transcript, but on P99 it is.

A later comment notes the same:
- https://web.archive.org/web/20030926....shtml?id=3757

Hailing him...
Posted @ Mon, Oct 29th 12:13 AM 2001
By: Anonymous

Your location is -194.29, -85.13, 8.50
You say, "Hail, Wislen Mamluk"
Wislen Mamluk says "Why you bother Wislen? Wislen trying to get fishies. Leave Wislen alone to get [fish], please.
You say, "What fish?"
Wislen Mamluk says "Fish. Wislen fish. Wislen is mamluk, not just fisher. Mamluk is warrior but they also helps provide for all Kerran. This is hadi place in life. We happy doing this. Please, let Wislen fish now."

As there were no further bracketed text items, I left at that point in the conversation.

From the ShowEQ dumps we see that Wislen was new with the revamp to Kerra Ridge in Apr2000. That is when zone-specific fish were introduced, so maybe the plan was to add one to Kerra as well. The lack of brackets might suggest the quest was left unimplemented. On the other hand, not all prompts have brackets, so it may have existed but been broken until the catfish was added.