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Originally Posted by Zuranthium
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Build it up how vs a SoW speed MOB? Even with SoW yourself you have to strafe kite for a long time to gain enough space advantage to use a single fast activation ability. It would take hours and hours. Anyone who puts that amount of time in deserves the kill, LOL.
Only if they don't want to try for an S+ kill.
Having SoW still doesn't change anything about being able to use Bio Orb. It has 5 second activation; a SoW speed MOB closes in too quickly. Even vs a regular speed MOB it may be sketchy, I can't remember exactly. I do remember 4.5 second casts from max range being barely able to outspace a regular speed MOB. You're also going to need to reapply lev cloak a bunch during this kiting process if that's your lev source, and it's a 6 sec cast. Plus more drinks of the SoW pot. Trying to kite down at the water probably won't work either, you need room to strafe in a big circle to build up the space, so that opens you up to getting other aggro.
Charm of course has much higher potential, but can break. It's not about the two items being exactly the same power though, it's about the tier. Two clicks of any other strong item is S* tier. A single click of Puppet Strings can be much more powerful than that, but it's all the same tier because it's ultimately all the same thing of using a massive hack. Dragon tooth could be considered that level of hackery, it's creating a ton of DPS in a way other items can't.
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You are spending too much time thinking about the Red Dragon Tooth + Bio Orb strategy. It was just an all/all example to show every class has at least one method of killing non-summon mobs. I've done bio orb kiting before, so I do have an understanding of it. I don't want to keep getting caught up on details and have the conversation stall.
Most classes have an easier way to kill non-summoning mobs, as I already explained. Tantor can be soloed by a sub 60 ranger doing bow kiting, as a simple example. That shouldn't be a second teir kill in my opinion. A Warrior with SoW pots and corpsed arrows can do the same.
Not everyone agrees with your classification of clickies. Most people have Jboots, and most mobs run at normal speed. It is a bit weird to disquailify someone from S+ due to SoW pots, unless you are banning JBoots as well.