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Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DSM, I don't know what has made you decide to die on this hill more. Believing that you had the intellect to engage with the big boys in this thread, or maybe you just have a hard-on for Sscalez, but it's over, you've lost.

It's both of those things. DSM is the little dog that always needs to try and bite the big dog's leg, and he can't ever accept being put in his place when he does stupid things, so he barks and barks nonstop.

Because of the constant valid criticisms DSM has faced, which he is incapable of listening to, he feels the need to insert himself into threads where another person is facing valid criticism or where he thinks he can make himself look like an authority figure. He feels like he will be exonerated and somehow stop receiving criticism ever again, if he can try to "protect" someone else from valid criticism or "win" an argument. No matter how wrong and foolish his thoughts are, he will keep trying to argue them to the death, because otherwise he'll have to face the reality that he is indeed wrong and foolish.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

buffs are NOT the same thing as having other players there DPSing and healing

Yes it is. An outside buff literally requires another player for it to happen and it literally uses their power to complete the encounter, because otherwise you wouldn't be able to do it, unless you cheat by using consumable items.

A 1,000 point HP buff is the exact same end result for a fight as someone casting that amount of heal on you during the fight. A haste spell that allows your character to generate an extra 1,000 damage in a fight is the exact same end result as a player doing a 1,000 point damage spell during the fight. And as already discussed, a buff can be even stronger than a heal for doing solo challenges, because it allows for better pulling.

The way you continue ignore basic math and game mechanics is very sad.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've never once even mentioned the word chess in this forum

I'm not surprised you're also incapable of understanding simple analogies. You tried to argue that grinding for gear in EQ is a high level skill. It's not. It's busywork. Games like Chess are something that require a high level skill to be competitive. Games like Smash Melee require high level skill. Games like GW/LoL/Starcraft require high level skill.

EQ requires low amounts of skill and those skills have nothing to do with the gear a person has. Gear is simply an artificial roadblock. You have NO special skills as a result of playing EQ and getting that gear. A million other people could do anything you can if they were given the character to use.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I HAVE killed the King with Avatar and 2h toggling the entire fight, multiple times

Then where are the hard numbers of the DPS, to determine the extent to which your character can fight a particular MOB or not? You've posted absolutely nothing and you still continue to ignore the impact of other procs and armor that your character doesn't have, which is the actual ceiling for the class.

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What's the biggest self buffed monk kill anyway?

It's hard to know since the best geared Monks, aka having Shroud of Longevity + Fungi Staff, never recorded themselves and are now banned. But we can already calculate it all out anyway if someone wants to. Monks who still have Shroud of Longevity will need to try and see if they can find a Fungi Staff for sale if they want to reach absolute BIS gear.

And then after achieving BIS gear, the ceiling for a self-buffed Monk involves proccing Steal Strength on the MOB and then FD + heal up and re-engage.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, the whole goal was to complete the kill without consumables, but that doesn't mean that the wiki should be changed

It exactly means the wiki needed to be changed. There are factually many different ways that players attempt challenges and the page needs to reflect ALL of those.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

monks need outside buffs to be able to keep up with casters, maybe not all casters, but the ones capable of soloing anything significant.

The point of solo challenges is not "Monks should be given assistance to try and do things that Enchanters and Shaman can do completely solo". Why should Monks be privileged over Wizards, Clerics, Mages, Druids when they ALREADY can solo more encounters than those classes??

The reality of the game is simply that Enchanters and Shaman are the overall best at these things. But there are still encounters a Monk can do without outside help that Shaman aren't able to, thanks to Monks being able to FD pull.

The challenge page is not trying to equalize each class and make it possible for every class to be able to complete every challenge at the same tier. That's not even possible to begin with. The point of the challenge page is trying to see the best each class can do at each different tier.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The wiki will be reverted back, don't worry about that. Literally no one here agrees with your asinine assertion that having buffs disqualifies it from being considered a solo kill.

The wiki will not be reverted back and your behavior will not be tolerated. Everyone with a brain recognizes there needed to be more reflective tiers. You and DSM are the only people saying otherwise, because you're selfish and upset about being called out and proven wrong.

And what you continue to fail to understand is that the wiki page does not "disqualify" outside buffs from being used. The wiki provides many different TIERS of "solo kills" and "duo kills". It's a challenge page meant to serve everyone and allow many different challenges. The page is not trying to give a single definition of the word solo. Your broken brain and broken ego is simply unable to rectify the fact that this isn't about you.

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Those ranks exist whether you want it or not and whether those kills are possible or not. I see it just like powerlifting. It's cool to see what a natural dude can do but it is also cool to see a juiced guy hit a 1000lbs deadlift. It's just done under different variables and it has to be acknowledged.

A very sensible example. There's a good reason why steroids are not allowed for Olympic competition. The druggies have their own "Enhanced Games" tier they get to compete in.