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Originally Posted by bcbrown
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You talk about using Lumi Staff for finishing off charm fights and then you talk about credibility. I will stake my credibility as a charming druid that the lumi staff is almost entirely irrelevant for finishing off charm fights. If you have one you're gonna be quadding bloodgills 46-51. After that if you want to charm you're probably going for bats'n'bugs in SolB, Chardok entrance, Perma bear caves, or Kedge for the degenerate masochists. I can guarantee no one is using lumi staff on charm breaks in any of those zones. Maybe EJ or GD isn't completely greened out for a level or two. Maybe if you're charming griffons into hill giants in the karanas? You could possibly use it in EW or WW, but I definitely wouldn't want to be waiting on a 10 second click for 180 damage while xping in WW.
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You lost your credibility then. Your ad populum fallacy is irrelevant too.
The entire argument for instant click invis on Goblin Ring is you can get the mob below a certain amount of HP so you can use a lower cost nuke, thus saving mana. In the case of a Druid, you would probably use a spell like Firestrike (300 damage for 155 mana), so you can save 95 mana by not casting one of your 250 mana nukes.
There is a reason why Shamans buy JBB, Druids buy Lumi Staff, Mages buy Burnt Wood Staff, etc. There is a reason why these items are still thousands of plat in 2025.
I use my 9 second Epic Click in WW all the time. See my youtube channel. Free damage clickies save mana, because a 10 second manaless cast is cheaper than spending the mana and meditating. 95 mana is 5 ticks of meditate, which is 30 seconds. Using a 10 second clickie in this scenario saves 20 seconds of med time. In the case of being indoors, you can use ES Arms instead. Remember you are getting the mob down to a few hundred HP before breaking charm. Even Drones of Doom will finish off a mob that low in a few ticks after a 300 damage nuke while you med up or prep the next kill.
Now, you can claim that Goblin Ring has no risk involved when you get a mob down to sub 300 HP before breaking at the level range where mobs can double attack for 250+ damage. I disagree with that kind of claim. You'd need to provide evidence that the increased risk of losing the mob is worth the mana saving reward, a reward that you could also get via damage clickies at less risk. You'd also need to provide evidence that Ring of Stealthy Travel is less mana efficient than Goblin Ring. I haven't seen any evidence so far, and I've used both Goblin Ring and cast Invis for charm breaks.