Project 1999 - View Single Post - monk ratios, primary and offhand choices

Did some longer parses. I am using a level 52 Monk. Here are the TLDR takeaways first:

1. 3 minute parses are similar to 10 minute parses. It is incorrect to assume that a 3 minute parse is too inaccurate for DPS.

2. Corudoth is a perfectly valid target for DPS comparisons between weapons. The difference between compared weapons is the same across all mobs. You don't need to wander across Norrath parsing random mobs to compare weapons. You only parse different mobs if you want to see how much their mitigation values offset your DPS. The mitigation offset will affect the compared weapons equally.

3. Using math is perfectly valid and accurate. Using the term "napkin math" to claim math isn't useable is nonsense.

https://youtu.be/Ub0bfwyKpE0 - 10 min FM Giant Parse

https://youtu.be/YXh1lQyRZ_A - 10 min Corudoth Parse

https://youtu.be/tVkVNorTzIQ - Original 3 min FM Giant Parse

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2h IFS parse on Giants.
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Note that this parse ran longer than the 1h parse. I stopped parsing the 2h starting at this message, so the parses between 1h and 2h are of equal length. Feel free to use the extra values for checking damage roll distributions if you want.

Quote:

[Fri Nov 22 18:07:02 2024] You crush Mentrax Mountainbone for 112

16964 damage over 553 seconds = 30.68 DPS with fistweaving

15023 damage over 553 seconds = 27.5 DPS without fistweaving

207 punch swings / 297 crush swings = 70% dual wield chance.

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1h Epic Fist + SoS Giant Parse
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16712 damage over 552 seconds = 30.28 DPS
305 crush swings / 730 punch swings = 42% chance to dual wield.

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2h IFS parse Corudoth
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31414 damage over 553 seconds = 56.8 DPS with fistweaving

27455 damage over 553 seconds = 49.6 DPS without fistweaving

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1h Epic + SoS Parse Corudoth
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30819 damage over 553 seconds = 55.7 DPS

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Against the Giants, I got 30.28 DPS via the Epic + SoS, and 30.68 DPS via IFS with fistweaving. On my 3 minute parse I got 30.67 from Epic + SoS, and 31.5 DPS via IFS with fistweaving.

Against Corudoth, I got 55.7 DPS via the Epic + SoS, and 56.8 DPS via IFS with fistweaving.

Without Fistweaving I got 27.5 DPS from IFS on the Giants, and 49.6 DPS on Corudoth.

As you can see, the difference between Epic + SoS and IFS is the same on both Corudoth and the Giants. The only difference is the DPS values on both weapon sets went up. This is because Corudoth is lower level, and thus you do more damage.

This makes sense, because at the end of the day the damage formula can be simplified to:

(Rolled Damage * Mitigation Offset) + Damage Bonus = Damage Dealt.

The Rolled Damage and Damage Bonus values remain the same between Corudoth and Giants. The Mitigation Offset changes based on the Mitigation variables like AC, level difference, etc., between the Giants and Corudoth.

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IFS (Primary) Min Damage = 22
IFS (Primary) Max Damage = 171
IFS (Primary) Average Damage = (171 + 22) / 2 = 96.5

297 IFS swings * 96.5 damage = 28660.5 Damage

Epic Fist (Offhand) Min Damage = 1
Epic Fist (Offhand) Max Damage = 35
Epic Fist (Offhand) Average Damage = (1 + 35) / 2 = 18

207 Epic Punch Fistweaves * 18 damage = 3726 Damage

IFS + Fistweaving Damage = 32,386.5 Total Damage

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Epic Fist (Primary) Min Damage = 10
Epic Fist (Primary) Max Damage = 44
Epic Fist (Primary) Average Damage = (44 + 10) / 2 = 27

730 Epic Fist swings * 27 damage = 19710 Damage

SoS (Offhand) Min Damage = 1
SoS (Offhand) Max Damage = 68
SoS (Offhand) Average Damage = (1 + 35) / 2 = 34.5

305 SoS swings * 34.5 damage = 10522 Damage

Epic Fist + SoS Damage = 30232.5 Total Damage

You can see the same pattern in the pure averages as the parse. Epic Fist + SoS does 30232 Damage, and IFS does 28660 Damage without fistweaving. This is the same outcome as the parse, where the IFS without fistweaving does less damage. When adding the 3726 Damage from fistweaving, IFS pulls ahead slightly.

As you can see, Epic Fist + SoS does better than IFS without fistweaving at level 52. IFS pulls ahead a bit with fistweaving, assuming you do it all the time and correctly.

This is why you should parse 1h and 2h weapons before assuming 2h is better, especially at lower levels when the damage bonus on 2h is smaller.