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Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Another definition that I think could bear fruitful exploration is that shitposting is an artistic form exploring the boundaries of poe's law: any parodic or sarcastic expression of extreme views can be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of those views.

That effort post was a surprise 500+ pages deep. I like this definition of shitposting. I've chuckled at some gems from Jimjam in particular that fit this definition and still come across as friendly and in good faith.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As a sidebar discussion, I’ve always wondered if the bard class would be best classified as a caster - not a hybrid. Rangers are half warrior/druid. Paladins are half warrior/cleric. SKs are half war/necro. Bards aren’t really half/half anything. What they DO do best doesn’t involve their weapons. Their weapons aside from having epic for the proc and instrument mods is unrelated to anything substantial they do - and this very unlike any of the other hybrids or the melee characters.

Having said that, they are neither intelligence casters nor wisdom casters. I question how our discussion would be different if bards were part of our consideration in this thread.

Rimitto, you are very much correct. I am inclined to agree. The lack of malo on high level slow-able targets could be painful, but generally in the locations you will find these targets, the available pets to charm have massive hp so you could just push through healing the pet(s) without a slow.

Bards having unique songs instead of a base-class-caster's spells is a big difference for sure. Despite that I've thought of them as an enchanter/ranger hybrid. Kind of a hybrid-hybrid, taking them one step closer to caster.

But Jimjam made a good post in the best melee/hybrid group thread; "I don’t know about you guys, but I’ve always viewed shaman as more of a melee hybrid than a pure caster so …" And bards are a bit closer to the melee side than shaman, so maybe shaman and bard should both be disqualified here[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you name a camp this four player group would be doing that can't be Torpor Tanked?

Chardok Overking and sleepers trash.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I see we are still using pocket cleric concept to rationalize bringing an inferior priest (for this party) to the party

Funny how the shaman needs a pocket cleric to make the group viable yet the cleric doesn’t need a pocket shaman.

Truly giggle worthy

Thanks for conceding DSM.

Did the OP specify a timeline? We've only been planning for two years, so I would still call the pocket cleric a major investment. But I think if we drag the prep stage out to 5 years or so we can start calling it a minor cost, relatively speaking.