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Are you taking into account mana gained from meditating while root rotting? 30 minutes at 10 ticks/minute and 21 mana/tick adds 6300 mana.
A fair point! I did not actually. We can take a look again.

This is the scenario: You are a level 58 Shaman. Let's get some real mob data in as well, to ensure we are using the right amount of DPS/Mana spent per kill. I'll look at https://wiki.project1999.com/A_Ratfink as the example, as PoM Rat Maze is a good spot to XP at 58. They have 7000 HP according to the Wiki, and looking at my SK's data when he was up there, the amount of damage needed to kill this mob matches the wiki.

I will not be taking into account the mana spent on Regrowth and Haste, since both Shamans are going to spend this mana anyway. First let's look at combat, where we assume the mob is doing an average of 10 DPS after being slowed:

The level 55 Shaman pet does 17 DPS while hasted on average. If you cast 2x Bane of Nife and 2x Envenomed Bolt, you will kill the mob after 96 seconds. This is because 96 x 17 = 1632 damage, and 1278 x 2 + 1648 x 2 = 5852. 5852 + 1632 = 7484 damage, which is close enough when taking into account mob regen. The Iksar Shaman is spending a minimum of 320 x 2 (EBolt) + 425 x 2 (Bane) + 100 (Root) + 175 (Slow) = 1765 mana per mob. In 96 seconds you are realistically getting 10 ticks of sitting, as you will probably miss the ticks while casting spells. Bane is 5 seconds of cast time, and Ebolt is 6 seconds of cast time. Root + Canni 3 and Slow + Canni 3 is also going to end up being 5ish seconds each. You are getting 210 mana back from the 10 meditation ticks, 160 HP from sitting ticks, and +42 HP over Barbarians/Ogres from the 6 standing ticks. This reduces mana cost by 311. So you are spending 1454 mana per mob.

JBB does 32.8 DPS, and the pet does 17 DPS. This means the JBB Shaman will need to cast 2x Ebolts in addition to JBB to kill the mob in the same time. The JBB Shaman is spending a minimum of 175 (Slow) + 320 x 2 (EBolt) = 815 mana per mob. Assuming the mob is doing an average of 10 DPS after being slowed, this Shaman is also taking 960 damage, which is converted into 490 mana. So you are spending 1305 per mob.

A few extra factors need to be taken into consideration:

1. If a mob is doing 10 DPS, that means a tanking pet is going to need to back off of the mob every ~200 seconds to recover some HP so it doesn't die. Fights last 100 seconds each, which means your pet is going to be out of 1/3 fights roughly speaking, as they will need to spend time recovering. This means you will need to cast an extra DoT like Plague in 1/3 fights. This adds another 100 mana to the amount spent per mob. Now we are at 1554 mana spent per mob on the Iksar vs 1305 spent per mob on the JBB Shaman.

2. Realistically speaking root breaks occur, so you will not get away with 1 root per mob always. I don't have an exact figure on root break percentages, but let's just throw a random number out and say 1/10 roots break. This will add another 15 mana per mob roughly speaking when looking at mana spent, a meditation tick lost, and damage taken. Now we are at 1569 mana spent per mob on the Iksar vs 1305 spent per mob on the JBB Shaman.

3. Spell resists are a bigger problem on Root/Rotting Shamans. They do not occur often, but let's say it is 2% of the time. The root/rotting Shaman has 6 spells that can be randomly resisted, with an average cost of 228 mana. This means you have a 12% chance of losing 228 per fight. This is another additional cost of 27 mana per fight on an Iksar. A JBB Shaman is casting 3 spells with an average mana cost of 271. This means you have a 6% chance of losing 271 mana. This is an additional cost of 16 mana for the JBB Shaman. A resisted JBB costs zero mana. Now we are at 1585 mana spent per mob on the Iksar vs 1321 spent per mob on the JBB Shaman.

4. A face tanking Shaman can melee in combat, allowing them to proc weapons. https://wiki.project1999.com/Blight,...of_the_Scourge is 4 DPS when it procs. Assuming an average proc rate of 1 per minute, the mob is taking an extra 2 DPS total, assuming it gets half ticks in. That means the mob is dying a bit faster, which reduces damage taken. Assuming you can kill the mob roughly 6 seconds faster, you will save 30 mana from damage. Now we are at 1571 mana spent per mob on the Iksar vs 1291 spent per mob on the JBB Shaman.

Next let's look at the recovery out of combat. A Barbarian/Ogre with Regrowth is getting 24 HP and 21 Mana from Canni Dance with Regrowth. An Iksar with Regrowth is getting 41 HP and 21 Mana from Canni Dance with Regrowth. This means 33 Mana per tick on the Barbarian/Ogre vs. 41 Mana per tick on the Iksar. It takes ~38.3 ticks to recover the mana from spending 1585 mana per mob on an Iksar. It takes ~38.6 ticks to recover the mana from spending 1291 mana per mob.

As you can see, they are essentially equal on paper when taking into account the number of ticks it takes to recover from a fight, assuming you just keep pulling mobs back to back within an hour. It's a difference of 0-1 ticks per encounter. The JBB Shaman doesn't have to worry about root breaks, pet management, and perfect canni dancing during combat. They also have to worry less about spell resists, due to the opportunity cost of a single resist being lower. This is why JBB Shamans end up being more efficient by a significant amount. They have less things to do per fight, and have less opportunities for RnG to screw you over.
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