Thread: shaman duo
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Old 11-06-2023, 05:09 PM
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I kind of like this conversation, actually, when its talking about the actual mechanics.

Most of my experience duoing with a shaman has been on Puppet Show. My experience has also been that cripple is fairly high impact, but only worth it on stuff like puppet show because you are fighting a single target for a very long time.

There's a couple techniques I've used there depending on Shaman gear. Safest is to have me tank, shaman logs out/in after debuffing and gently DoTs and we just grind it out. Can do that with a naked Torp Shaman. Slow, but not dangerous. Really well geared Shaman that can tank, torp, spam DoTs while I backstab is just awesome, and I've been pleasantly surprised at the amount that can be added on fights where the DoTs are allowed to tick. There's fights like this one where the shaman pulled 55 DPS with DoTs, melee and pets while we shared tanking.

/GU Tribunal Puppet in 252s, 21793 @86 | Jayya 18185 | Jenekab 2439 | Jallai 1169

They have approx 32K HP, so can back out the shaman contribution that way. Here's an example where I did the same fight with a shaman that didn't DPS at all:

/GU Tribunal Puppet in 471s, 32207 @68 | Jayya 31475 | Riddian 732

One thing I would really like to see parses on at some point is the impact of Avatar on charmed pet DPS, because I suspect its actually a sneaky way a shaman can have a much higher group DPS impact that they would appear on a 2 ench charm pet group since it adds their contribution to other players. I push for Avataring pets on Vindi kills, but I don't have enough samples and didn't track who got what for what fight, and then there's charmed pet breaks and stuff that makes it too hard to compare.

Like, I have Yetarr doing 682 dps vs. Vindi, but he's a big enough pain to get over there and Dictate that I have only a few samples (actually, only 1, which is confusing since I'm almost positive we've used him three times, and I know for sure there should be a low man parse to go with 1 or 2 full raid kills. Maybe I was out of parser range for that one.) He was definitely Avatar'ed, but how much DPS came from that?

I've got Bvellos parses all over the place from 80 (charm breaks + no haste?) to 250 (Avatar, Haste, Torch, no charm breaks, muzzle?) to a ton at the 180 range (normal haste/torch?). But I don't have a break down of when he got Avatar and when he didn't. Are the 205-220ish ones RNG or Avatar pushing things up?

I also really wonder if NPCs STR cap. We had a scout giant with torch+Avatar+Focus+Manicial+SoN+WR+Muzzle kill his enchanter through Rune and Bedlam in 9 seconds once. I wonder if any of that STR did anything. The fight was too chaotic when the drop on Sontalak occurred to tell what actually happened when we used him, but the giant pack whacked him down fast to 90% before the first fear went out and everything fell apart.
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