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Originally Posted by Crede
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Let’s get back to this discussion, it seems you have plenty of time to engage with others. Looking at my numbers I realized I wasn’t factoring in the APM of a gcd. Going back to my above example, 4 slows costs you 1000 mana. This is approximately 2 torpor’s and 6 cannis. That would be 14 actions((torpor+gcd+canni+gcd+canni+gcd+canni) * 2 = 14). This results in about 4 APM based on my earlier post. If you’re taking things somewhat easily which lets say is about 20 APM, that could potentially be a 20% APM reduction. To me that is significant. I don’t know what the average shaman APM is though as there’s likely too much variance there, but I do think there’s value added here. And as previously mentioned, regen also can make torpor 14% better. While you may not feel this is personally worth it, I do think people should realize these numbers and let them decide accordingly.
Such thing can vary based on the type of engagement you are using, but I think where you’ll see the true benefit of regen is in longer situations, which you’ve previously agreed with. Or if you ever find yourself in a bind and have to use FD ring, it can be really nice for that. I don’t think there’s enough evidence that supports neglecting it completely.
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TLDR.
Cliff notes:
-hp = mana for shamans
-regen buff = most efficient hp per mana spell
-fungi > Vindi bp by 13hp/tick
-troll innate regen stacks on top
-more hp regen baseline, fewer torpor casts
-fewer torpor casts is less canni 4s needed to regain it and more time spent doing literally anything else. This could be productive things like casting other spells or Quality of Life things like scratching my ass, picking my nose or just spacing out on a busy busy class that has all the shit to do. Buff others, debuff mobs, heal self/others, cast other crap. Playing a shaman is almost as time intensive as playing a bard. Any free time to space out is golden.
For a shaman:
-fungi is the BIS bp item for 99.99% of content
-racial regen does matter
-why the heck wouldn’t you cast regrowth once every 20 mins??
As for me, I gave my fungi to my monk and am using thurg bp on my troll shaman. I did it because I’m poor and lazy and … I agree with DSM that with torpor I can get by just fine. If I had a Vindi bp? Even better. Unlike DSM my troll shaman keeps regrowth up so I win.
What I am not conceding is that fungi isn’t better than Vindi bp. It is. It is flat out better. I’m just too poor and lazy to buy and farm another. The one I have is where it will be needed the most.
Playing a torpor shaman is about the easiest, slack jawed, easy ass class I could play at 60 other than my mage. A shaman with an IQ of 75 can operate at 95% capacity because its just that easy and overpowered.