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Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except the difference between when you do it and when others, many times in this very thread, have done it is that our 'advice' is almost always given with a grain of salt and the understanding that we don't purport our claims as 'the word of god' not to be debated and that no amount of counter claims or counter evidence will convince us otherwise. The people who have reasonably engaged with you and tried to debate their points of view leave room for personal choice and don't seem to be interested with solving string theory and nailing down limited use cases and niche's that aren't indicative of the totality of experiences across the player base. This is not how you operate. You very often, almost exclusively, seem to be solely focused on proving yourself right in small sample sizes based on a seemingly random, or sometimes very niche, set of parameters and when someone can't convince you that maybe in other examples or when you take into account many different use cases your hypothesis isn't the only way to get from point a to point z you dismiss them. Two things can be true at the same time. There are often many ways to get to your desired destination depending on which road you think will be easier to get there, and just because something is true doesn't mean it's correct for everyone.

Video games are based on rules and math. You can objectively prove something to be true. You are essentially hiding behind the idea that because multiple possibilities exist, these extra possibilities must matter.

I have no problem with someone saying "I think X is true, but I cannot prove it". I do not argue with people who do that. It becomes a problem when you try to promote your "grain of salt" opinion as a fact, simply because you say so. The troll posters do this often. This is an issue because you are providing a false sense of confidence in bad/unproven ideas.

I am not saying my evidence is ironclad and perfect. But right now it is much better than the "grain of salt" opinions people seem so eager to push to the point of trolling others.

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As I said above 2 things can be true at the same time. You have provided statistics to back up the claim that adding regrowth to the mix 'would not have helped win the fight'. However I don't believe anyone made that claim (I'm beyond done with this conversation so I'm not going to go back and double check this). 'Would not have helped win the fight', and 'make the fight easier' can both be true. It's a matter of perspective and comfort. If having extra regen makes someone more comfortable during the fight so as that the extra breathing room, even if only perceived, makes them less likely to panic in situations where the fight might have gone sideways then yes that regrowth helped win the fight. Even if the statistics don't back that up. The sheer placebo effect of knowing you had the buff and it was providing passive regen could 100% help "win the fight".

Multiple posters are claiming Regrowth would have helped in the fight. Multiple claims have been made about improved actions per minute, more spells cast during the same period, shorter fight times, etc. All of these things are factual claims, which can be proven with factual evidence. Thus far, nobody has provided concrete evidence to support their theories. They cannot even use an existing video and do basic math calculations to see if they are correct.

Everybody agrees that something can "help". Getting 0.01 DPS is "killing something faster". However, that doesn't mean it will actually be helpful enough to provide a tangible benefit, such as saving enough time on the fight to get more kills per hour. It is not helpful to provide general statements like "Regrowth will help a Torpor Shaman kill something faster", because the implication there is it will be noticeable. This is misinformation if the facts end up showing otherwise, as they currently seem to.

People are not incorrect when they say "Regrowth may give you a small chance to survive in a fight". That is perfectly reasonable to say. Just do not inflate your opinion to make it seem more than it actually is, unless you can prove it.

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is where your fundamental flaw comes in. It is incredibly difficult to present objective truth. You cannot prove that having Regrowth would not 'help win the fight' that you posted a video of just because it didn't help you. As I argued above the comfort and ease on your mind that comes with having a buff that is always helping you can keep you from going into panic mode and making a mistake that will cost you a death. You simply cannot disprove that because it's subjective to each person. So if the type of person who feels regrowth helps them has that buff up just the fact that the buff is in their window can be a measurable help if they don't panic and die. Just because this isn't how your brain works doesn't mean everyone's brain works just like yours. Again I feel like I have to reiterate I know you didn't say everyones brain works like yours I'm making an inference based on the way you speak and debate and how you present evidence. It's not your place to say that comparing Regrowth and Torp is silly or a bad idea. That is just your opinion, which you are free to have, but other people can have a different opinion and are free to debate and compare regrowth to torp to their hearts content. If someone wanted to compare CH to Regrowth I wouldn't stop them. It's their right to make those comparisons and have those debates. You are not the arbitor of what is and isn't correct to compare and debate. *Again* I know you never said you were but again I'm making an inference based on what you've said and how you've said it. (Are you starting to see why people get so frustrated trying to talk to you? I've already had to qualify 3 times that something I'm saying I know you didn't say word for word and I'm sure there will be more times I feel I have to add that qualifier.)

This is the flaw in your reasoning, as I stated above. You have the false assumption that objective truth is simply too difficult to provide. This type of thinking will make you dismiss evidence out of hand, which you and others have done in the past. P99 is really not as difficult of a game to figure out as you think.

It is not your place to troll other people just because they disagree with you, and bloat threads to oblivion.

I am no arbiter of debate. If I show somebody that 2+2=4, that is a fact. It is not me forcing my opinion on you, or shutting down a debate. If you really want to debate something like 2+2=4, you better provide more than opinions to claim 2+2=5.

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is pure comedy. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. Either other people can do the same thing you do and infer meaning based on a totality of statements or you shouldn't be doing it. In either case it's at the very least not factually accurate to say someone 'admitted' to something they didn't explicitely admit to. That is intelectual dishonesty.

I am not having my cake and eating it too. I do not create strawmen to try and discredit other posters. If I misread something you said, simply clarify it and I will admit I am wrong. You do not provide me this same courtesy, so I am not sure why you think I am the bad guy here. Remember that you attacked me first?

However, when you plainly state the definition of trolling, that is a clear admission. I am not sure how you can accidentally say that. If you can provide a really good reason as to why you typed out the definition of trolling as your reason for posting, we can discuss it. Otherwise you just look like you are trying to backtrack.

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You provide evidence but you disregard other people's evidence when it doesn't line up with your perception of what is important in any given situation. There are many ways to get from A to Z. The vast majority of the time, at least at the outset when they aren't yet frustrated by talking to you, people present their counter view/claim with caveats. It happens often that you disregard those caveats or the fact that someone might think differently or see the problem from a different perspective or that some claims can't be presented with numbers and facts and just because of that doesn't make them invalid claims.

I would be willing to bet a large amount of platinum that the perception of almost everyone you deem to be just an 'insulting troll' is that your mindset is too rigid and doesn't allow for any other path to get to the desired outcome except A-B-C-D-E-F.... etc. Everquest is not solvable. No more than a game like Magic the Gathering is solvable. The mind, skills, goals, dreams, and desires will alter what is the correct path to take for everyone to get to Z. You debate and speak like there is no wiggle room and every debate and argument you enter is a zero sum game and that's just not true. One size does not fit all.

People do not provide evidence. They provide opinions they claim as evidence, and then get mad when I point out it is an opinion. Did anybody else provide videos, logs, etc., to back up their claims? I didn't see it. If so, please show me. Again, you have a misunderstanding of P99's complexity, and use it as an excuse to dismiss evidence.

You seem to think posting some text with an opinion is equally valid evidence to a video showing an actual fight in P99.

I would be willing to bet a large amount of platinum that most people perceive you as a troll, because you actually troll lol. You purposely come into a thread and attack posters for no reason other than you don't like them. I am willing to engage in debate, and provide evidence. I only defend myself when you attack me. I do not come into other threads and start attacking people. It is honestly amazing that you cannot do any self reflection.