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Originally Posted by Toxigen
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In about an hour I'm gonna be kickin back with a casamigos margarita.
Wanna know what I won't be doing? Looking at this thread.
Sperg on, boys.
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I’m jealous. It’s a slow day a work and this is the only entertainment I have.
I’m reading back through the thread out of boredom. This post from page 8 really stands out.
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Originally Posted by bcbrown
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But yes, I agree with Troxx. Not because of who he is or any authority he has, but because the content of what he says makes sense to me. I find his argument to be reasonable and convincing. I find your argument to be unconvincing. OP mentions "I will have access to all or most of group content gear at level 1"; if you want to convince me, show an Iksar SK magelo with 180-200 strength at that level of gear. Not raid BIS, but "all or most of group content gear". (I'm also curious what the OP would find convincing)
But I think the larger, more fundamental point I'd like to make regards what I would characterize as your preoccupation with "evidence". You're constantly asking for evidence. You frequently mention that your motivation is to put information out there and let the audience make their own decisions. As someone who is far less experienced or knowledgeable than any of y'all, I believe I'm qualified to speak as a representative for the cohort of people you claim to be addressing. Your constant emphasis and demand for "evidence" makes you less credible.
Not all forms of disputes or arguments require evidence. If there is a factual dispute, then obviously evidence is pertinent. But this dispute, like most that you seem to find yourself in, is not factual. It's about which of several mutually exclusive options is better. And better is subjective. As far as I can see, there's three positions one can hold: - Intelligence is best, because the other relevant stats will be capped easier late-game, and more mana is always better.
- Stamina is best, because an SK's main job is tanking, and it's important to cap stamina/HP as quickly as possible.
- Strength is best, even though it might eventually be overcapped, because late game stats won't make much difference, whereas it will make a measureable difference in quality of life while leveling and uncapped.
Evidence has very little to do with the strength of the argument when everyone is in rough consensus as to the mechanics affected by each of these attributes. It's the quality of the reasoning that matters.
And so this is my unsolicited feedback for you: I find how you structure your arguments to be weak. When you say "no one will be convinced by what you say" to someone I find credible, it makes you less credible. When you demand evidence in a subjective dispute, it makes you less credible.
If I'm the sort of person you're trying to convince, I hope this feedback is helpful. If not, please feel free to disregard it. Either way, I hope you're having a great day. |
Emphasis on him pointing out that “better is subjective” in the context of this thread. Unlike other situations where we wasted hundreds of pages with you trying to convince us shamans can dps as well as a mage in a fast paced high dps group with 2x charm pets (they can’t even come close), there is no factual *right* answer here. The game is easy regardless of where you put starting stats.
I would never put 20 int starting stats on an iksar sk
You would put those 20 points into intelligence
And that is ok.
Whether a 4.3% increase (again, using your numbers) and more carrying capacity is significant enough to offset the loss of a little mana?
That is also subjective.
You feel it isn’t.
I feel it is.
That’s Ok.
There is no winning or losing.
Opinions were shared.
Some people’s opinions might have changed, others not.
We established that yes GamPase is accurate
Nothing new is being said at this point. This spirited thread exists for anyone who cares to read it. The opinion of whoever has the last or most recent post doesn’t get bonus points in the eyes of the readers. If anything most may make it 10 pages in before getting bored and moving on or simply making up their mind and moving on.
Time to put Old Yeller out to pasture and let this thread die.