[h0tr0d (shaere)]

I am not judging or angry at someone because they invest more time and get more loot. That is how it works plan and simple. I am also not flaming anyone for camping shit or 'poopsocking' shit to get the mobs. It always has been those willing to put the time in get the loot. What I got angry about is that patronizing bullshit us little casual raiders are such nice little boys and girls keeping the community alive or that we don't deserve shit because we aren't willing to 'compete". That and the fact you actually think what you have going is 'fair competition'. This crap is exactly why instances came to be and no, I was not for instancing on live. I thought it ruined the community.

And Mcbard and Skope both nailed it. I say when is enough enough. Where is the line in going from a top raid guild of skilled players mobilizing quickly and beating others in competition for raid mobs to something else? When does it become 'win at any costs while screaming competition? When does it cease to be enjoying the game and ruining others' enjoyment? When does simply wanting loots and gearing up your toons become greed for the sake of greed. Next server reboot go back to fixed spawn times. Make them choose what raid target they want, like you had to on live. Don't spread it out so the same people get everything because it is all spread out for them. Or if you really want to compete? Anything goes on raid targets except for ninjalooting. Whatever guild gets the kill gets the mob. That would add some strategy to Trakanon, no? No sitting afk or poopsocking, you would need to be active and aware to be ready for trains or whatever else comes your way. Everyone would have a shot at the mob and poopsocking would go away. So many variables as far as strategy goes and the ONLY petition you would have to worry about is ninjalooting. If guild X gets the kill only guild X can loot it. No worrying about anything else. And once the raid target dies back to normal. Trains cease and all that jazz. The guilds that are mature and can work together could behave like adults and the ones who are on their ofp could be destroyed by those same guilds when they enter the area. You think poopsocking makes people want to sit down and come up with a rotation? Imagine a fear raid where you're allowed to train the other guild. It wouldn't be long before they would get tired of constantly being trained in an AOW attempt or Venril sathir camp or spend 28 hours doing cr in fear before they decided to sit down and figure something out like adults.