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Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys act like TMO and TR have been the top guilds since the server inception. New guilds (EXAMPLE: TMO) pop up all the time to challenge the status quo.

Anyone who has played on this server long enough knows that guilds rise and fall. While IB probably held the crown the longest, even we almost fell apart late last fall when the guild splintered. I mean, we had trouble fielding more than 20 man raids for well over a month. While it is generally two or three guilds competing, and a fair amount of the players have remained the same, there is always room for new guilds to enter the fray.

When I started here it was Transcendence and IB on top. Then for a few months there were actually 7 guilds that competed for mobs (IB, Trans, GC, Divinity, Remedy, In Virtue, and Fish Bait). While it is true that IB got the vast majority of mobs during this time, to say that there was no competitive raiding is a huge fallacy. Some of my fondest moments on this server were doing small group (less than 12 people) planar raids while I was in IV competing against guilds like GC, Fish Bait and Trans.

I mean, we've had at least 3 different top guilds on this server since I've played here (IB -> DA -> TR) and one could make a strong argument to include TMO in that list, at least for a short period (in fact, this is still on going).

You make it sound like there is like one group of players that has dominated this server since it's inception, and that simply isn't true. Of the current membership of TR, I'd bet less than 25% ever wore an IB tag. I mean that is a very rough number, but to say that 75% of the current top guild are new players from the previous top guild just illustrates that this server does have a dynamic raiding scene and is not blocked by barriers of entry to every player on the server.

If you want to play 6 hours a week and expect to get dragons, kick rocks. However, both TR and TMO are made up of a number of players that really don't play that much. I mean, at 60, unless you're really into farming, you pretty much only log on when there is something to kill or you want to play an alt. So we can field 35 man raids (with an 80-90 player member base), that is less than 50% turn out. Yea, we have people with 70 and 80% attendance rates, but the vast majority of the guild hovers around the 40% mark - which isn't really that much considering the time even casual players put into this game.

I'm sorry the raid scene doesn't cater to the casual players, but it never has.. not once in the 12 year history of this game. I don't think it is going to change anytime soon.

Good post Loke, I agree 100%

Originally Posted by choklo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree with Loke's post. "It's all the same, it's only the names that change." People come and go and the guild's names change. The fact remains, if you're not in the top 2 raiding guilds, you won't experience the end game on p1999.

If you don't put in the time to gear up/log on for raids or don't associate with other like minded people then yes you will not see end game. This is neither TMOs or TRs problem. Vox stays up for hours if not days if you want to kill a dragon get your friends and go for it. Faydedar and VS are both easy mobs that you can do with 25+ players 35+ if your lower lvl, and you have every right to try them, its not like the secret of when they spawn is unknown to you.

The fact at hand is you don't want to put in the time so you will never see endgame. So either join a guild or make a guild and don't try and paint TMO/TR as the bad guys here because you are not motivated to slay dragons.