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Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shamans are not, despite what silly things DSM may say, good sustained DPS killers like a mage.

What I am saying is not silly. I think people just don't really take into account the other factors that go in to playing Everquest. I'll admit that I often try and give the quick explanation (which isn't fully detailed), and people don't end up reading the longer ones when I miss something in the quick explaination.

Let me try a simpler example. For the life of me I cannot find a lot of Mage videos. Here is a video of a mage killing Oosa Shadowthumper:

https://youtu.be/jhm9K-ePJAk?t=372

It takes him from 6:12 to 7:38 to kill the mob. He is spending 175 Mana on a single Scars of Sigil, 300 Mana on Vocarate: Earth, 155 mana on Cadeau of Flame, and 150 mana on Burnout IV.

Here is a log of me killing the same mob with just what a level 56 Shaman would have spell wise. I am not using Epic, just JBB. I made a video too if people really want to see it:

It took my Shaman from 07:05:03 to 07:06:25. Time-wise, the kill speeds are basically identical (1:28 vs 1:22). From a DPS perspective, that means a 56 Shaman can keep up with a 56 Mage. How is the sustain?

The Mage will spend 780 mana per kill, which means it takes almost 4 minutes to fully med back the mana.

The Shaman will spend 675 mana per kill on Turgur's Insects + Bane of Nife. The mob did 487 damage to me, and the pet can eat the HT. If you factor in the initial cost of the pet + 4 regrowths, that is 1900 mana over an hour (assuming no pet deaths), which would add a cost of 32 mana per minute. So basically 730 mana and 500 damage per kill. That would take closer to 4 minutes to meditate/regenerate back.

As you can see, a level 56 Shaman could keep up with a level 56 Mage when fighting mobs of similar stats with JBB, Spirit of Howler, Bane of Nife, and Turgurs Insects. Obviously at level 60 Mages get stronger pets, and Droga mobs are lower level than Oosa, but honestly people wouldn't even believe a level 56 Shaman could keep up DPS-wise with a Mage if they didn't see the numbers.

Unfortunately I simply don't have any raw data from a Mage in Droga to get exact kill speeds per hour. When grinding out greens you are looking at kills per hour. A 60 Shaman with Torpor and Epic is going to be able to kill and move more often than a Mage since they don't have to Med, albeit at a slower speed. I would be curious to know how many kills per hour a Mage can get (without Epic since it is just really hard to get). Then I can do the same on my Shaman and we can get a better picture of the actual differences. I am pretty certain an Epic Pet could chew through Droga way faster since they don't have to backstab, but solo Mage DPS without Epic is lower since you can't backstab.